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Title: World Of Warcraft
Post by: -eViL- on November 22, 2004 09:42 am CST
So who here is playing?
Who here is playing Central/Eastern servers?
Who here is playing on PvP servers?

Currently Triton, Magic, myself, and possibly Jonah are all playing central/eastern pvp servers together.  With hollywood and the other "orb" members being against us as those horde bastards! ;)

So who is playing it tomorrow?
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Post by: Hollywood on November 22, 2004 10:51 am CST
Orb is going Horde Central and Alliance Pacific. The majority of us will be playing Horde at release on a central pvp server.

GET READY TO DIE.
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Post by: -eViL- on November 22, 2004 11:24 am CST
*sigh* friggin noob.  ;)  first you have to find us...
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on November 22, 2004 11:26 am CST
Uhh, me, my brother, my dad, and my mom are going horde. PvM/PvP, it's really the same thing just not as PvPed out as the PvP servers, so says the guide book. Why are you all going strictly PvP and not PvM/PvP?

We will be central/east servers also.
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Post by: Hollywood on November 22, 2004 11:58 am CST
Because PVE, the opposing factiong has to flag themselves for pvp, which is retarded.
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Post by: 12Stones on November 22, 2004 01:00 pm CST
I'm playing on Alliance Eastern..  I was on Server 4 in the beta.  23 warrior and 19 mage..  i'll probably be playing tommorow as well!  Jonah better be playing..  :P
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on November 22, 2004 01:19 pm CST
So PvP servers are the same as PvE but you don't have to flag people? o_O
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Post by: 12Stones on November 22, 2004 01:38 pm CST
When I was 19 on my horde mage, I saw a ?? alliance and he couldn't attack me till I hit him.  This was on Test 4 Eastern (PvP)..  I guess you have to be attacked first if you are in opposite territory.
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Post by: Frantic on November 22, 2004 02:07 pm CST
Not sure if I'm going to play or not, right now I'm pretty hooked on Risk Your Life again (43 Sorc).

Plus it's P2P  :P
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Post by: 12Stones on November 22, 2004 02:15 pm CST
Poor bastard..  $15 a month is chump change :P
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Post by: Kyrie on November 22, 2004 04:25 pm CST
Yea, when you're inside the enemy territory, they have to attack someone from your team.
We had alot of fun using a low lvl paladin to taunt them into attacking him then myself and another rogue would attack from stealth.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on November 22, 2004 04:39 pm CST
15 is nothing. We are getting two WoW's for 30 a month, plus I still play City of Heroes, that's basically 45 a month (I use a time card time but it still cost me $30 for it)
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Post by: Razore on November 22, 2004 04:47 pm CST
Alliance PvP Pacific.
Ill be an NE once again. I played in beta, made to level 18 hunter, im goin for rogue this time.
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Post by: remote-control on November 22, 2004 05:41 pm CST
I'll be on central/eastern PvP servers  :twisted:


but still torn between either warrior alliance, shaman horde, or maybe even a mage!

I hear there's a lot of people playing on alliance, I like to be on the underdog side, more than likely horde, but I dunno!


man I can't f*cking wait until 10am tomorrow morning when gamestop opens it's doors
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Post by: -eViL- on November 22, 2004 05:56 pm CST
I am probably doing Night Elf Hunter with Mining/Blacksmithing.  And btw guys, with the blacksmithing skill, I will make anyone anything as long as you either supply the materials or at least supply the rarer of the materials (malachite, tigerseye, etc, etc) or if they pay me for it as it would sell at the merchant.  And I don't care which side you are on, just find me or message me and we can work it out.  I am just playin for the better of the community/guild....... and to see hollywood slaughter noobs :P

BTW - I am getting WoW tonight at midnight EST, so hopefully the servers will be open by 2 am EST.
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Post by: Hollywood on November 22, 2004 06:27 pm CST
Just got wow.

Here is my story copy pasted. This really did happen. 30 minutes ago no less.

<Hollywood> ok
<Hollywood> so i call media
<Hollywood> play
<Hollywood> they have it..he tells me so
<Hollywood> then in the ten minutes driving over
<Cosmic> wee
<Hollywood> THEY SELL ALL 6 COPIES THEY HAD
<Cosmic> boo urns
<Hollywood> so im like fork...thanks for reserving it like i asked
<Hollywood> and i leave
<Hollywood> to go to best buy
<Cosmic> yai
<Hollywood> where i see the display full of boxes off in the yonder
<Hollywood> i run to it
<Cosmic> haha
<Cosmic> yonder boxes
<Hollywood> and Lo!  
<Hollywood> THEY ARE PREORDER
<Hollywood> LIKE NO GAME
<Cosmic> hmm?
<Hollywood> they say..bring this to desk for preorder
<Hollywood> so i ask this girl
<Cosmic> heh
<Hollywood> Me: how does this work?
<Hollywood> her: Well, you need a computer for it
<Hollywood> ...
<Hollywood> no forking way
<Cosmic> lol
<Hollywood> me: yeah i get that..but the preorder thing?
<Hollywood> her: go ask him.. *points*
<Hollywood> him: yeah, doesnt come out till tomorrow
<Hollywood> me: ...its sold out other places
<Hollywood> him: no it isnt
<Cosmic> haha
<Hollywood> me: ..thanks....ill try somewhere else
<Hollywood> him: have a nice day
<Hollywood> OKAY
<Hollywood> THAT BLEW
<Hollywood> SO I DRIVE
<Hollywood> to CIRCUIT CITY
<Hollywood> and i walk in behind this guy
<Hollywood> we both head to the software area
<Cosmic> ohnoes
<Hollywood> guy to clerk: Ummm...do you have world of warcraft?
<Hollywood> clerk: sure, we have it over there *points*
<Hollywood> guy: thanks... *walks over there..just barely ahead of me*
<Cosmic> Mad dash for teh last box?
<Hollywood> AND GRABS THE LAST forkING ONE
<Hollywood> then...
<Cosmic> Arr
<Hollywood> guy puts it down between his feet and picks up the strat guide...to read the penny arcade comics inside
<Cosmic> ...
<Hollywood> now...you know the shelves
<Hollywood> that go to about your shoulders
<Hollywood> and hold the games
<Cosmic> yeah
<Hollywood> and they have a shelf right on the bottom.
<Hollywood> well...right above the bottom games is a space
<Hollywood> ill get to that in a moment
<Hollywood> i stand next to guy
<Hollywood> and pretend to look at some game ( everquest in fact...*shudder*)
<Cosmic> eww
<Hollywood> with MY FOOT..i tilt the box back
<Hollywood> AND SLIDE IT UP OVER THE GAMES ON THE BOTTOM ROW
<Hollywood> while pretending to read about this malarkey game
<Cosmic> hahaha
<Hollywood> so now the last box
<Hollywood> is in the back of the last row..sitting on some city of heros boxes
<Hollywood> i ask the guy to excuse me..grab a city of heros and the wow
<Cosmic> hehehe
<Hollywood> and walk off..set the coh down as a enter the music area
<Hollywood> then
<Hollywood> guy: ZOMG where is my game!?!?!
<Cosmic> haha
<Hollywood> me: i unno
<Hollywood> him: DID YOU TAKE THAT GAME??!?!
<Hollywood> me: *shrug*
<Cosmic> hehe
<Hollywood> clerk: is there a problem?
<Hollywood> guy: i set the last box down and cant find it
<Hollywood> clerk: ok, ill check in back for you
<Cosmic> =P
<Hollywood> me: *dash to counter*
<Hollywood> THEN IT GETS MORE INTERESTING EVEN
<Hollywood> the girl at the counter
<Cosmic> how can it get greater than that?
<Hollywood> scans it and has a frown
<Hollywood> OH NOES TEH FROWN
<Cosmic> oh no?
<Hollywood> she says there is some issue scanning it
<Cosmic> o.o
<Hollywood> me: maybe you could scan something of equal value...say another game? (old trick i learned from target)
<Hollywood> her: good idea..can you go get one
<Hollywood> so i go back and the guy is furious cause they have no more wow back there
<Cosmic> neat
<Cosmic> haha
<Hollywood> i grab the city of heros and go back to girl
<Hollywood> she scans
<Hollywood> and it goes through
<Hollywood> then she types up the wow barcode for some receipt crap
<Hollywood> girl: hmm...it says here this doesnt come out till...
<Hollywood> me:hey! i noticed you are hiring...could i get an application?
<Hollywood> her: oh. right
<Cosmic> haha
<Hollywood> her: gives me application
<Hollywood> AND MY GAME
<Hollywood> AND I LEAVE
<Hollywood> the end
<Cosmic> lmao, that is great
<Cosmic> You should have shouted "Hey WOW guy!"  *Wave Game over head and runs out*
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on November 22, 2004 06:56 pm CST
My dad is going to pick up two copies at Wal-Mart at midnight EST. Should have em.
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Post by: 12Stones on November 22, 2004 07:15 pm CST
Quote from: "remote-control"
I'll be on central/eastern PvP servers  :twisted:


but still torn between either warrior alliance, shaman horde, or maybe even a mage!

I hear there's a lot of people playing on alliance, I like to be on the underdog side, more than likely horde, but I dunno!


man I can't f*cking wait until 10am tomorrow morning when gamestop opens it's doors


If you are alliance, don't be a warrior..  be a Paladin.  I played a warrior to 23, and then played a paladin afterwards..  the paladin was much stronger than the warrior.  Paladins get talent point abilities to increase rage generation, enabling them to tank just as well as warriors..  not to mention auras, judgement seals, and a ranged magic attack for pulling.

I'm going to be either a human paladin, or an undead warlock.
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Post by: -eViL- on November 22, 2004 07:23 pm CST
/me starts chanting "human human human" :P
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Post by: Kyrie on November 22, 2004 09:27 pm CST
I'll be picking it up tonight at walmart, too.
Rogue for me. Not sure of what class, though. If alliance, then night elf. If Horde then either troll or orc.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on November 22, 2004 09:44 pm CST
My dad called 2 walmarts a hour ago, and the girl said they arent going to be putting them up until 7:00 am, lazy bastards. But she said call at midnight EST theres someone new working then and might have them up... So me and my dad will go check.  :roll:
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Post by: -eViL- on November 22, 2004 11:58 pm CST
the servers don't open for another hour at least, so meh.  you can't even create accounts yet.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on November 23, 2004 06:07 am CST
I woke up at 7:00 AM EST, going to go with my dad to pick up 2 WoW's and start playing it up.  :lol:
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Post by: Hollywood on November 23, 2004 07:46 am CST
Got my Orc hunter to lvl 7 before I had to get some sleep. The damned run to Thunder Bluff took the longest...considering the horrible wrong turn that got me killed so much.
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Post by: IVIaGiC on November 23, 2004 10:29 am CST
Mine shipped from eb games this morning and somehow arrived at 11:00 am EST :o .So i am installing right now.eViL,find out what server you are on as soon as you can.It should say when you're logging into your character at the top.
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Post by: remote-control on November 23, 2004 10:35 am CST
WOOHOOOO!!! just went to gamestop AS SOON as it opened, im installing it right now!! DAMN i cant wait!!!!!! *sigh* i waited in the rain just to get the game hahaha, wow... so sad of me ;) i had "family problems" i had to deal with!! muahahhahaha  :twisted:  man im goin to hell......
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Post by: remote-control on November 23, 2004 10:37 am CST
oh yeah, and im still torn between warrior right now..... cause they just got nerfed REALLY bad... and its forking sad, cause it was RIGHT before the release, i know most of the warriors are pissed off....


oh, and evil, dwarf owns all b*tch,  :twisted: haha
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Post by: -eViL- on November 23, 2004 04:21 pm CST
just read my aim profile, it says server name and type as well as a screenshot of my nice level 14 with 1g and about 110 linen for a new found friend thats a huge tailor ;).  Mining 65, Blacksmithing 55.  Had a massive lag spike this morning on the servers, a nice 10 minute one.  So naturally all the junkies came out of the woodwork to unsavory woman about the lag and then go back to playing.
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Post by: Particle on November 23, 2004 04:48 pm CST
I love Parsons Wal-Mart.  The day any big title comes out, they've still got a whole row of them by nightfall.  They really prepare and Doom 3 and HL2 both had plenty of copies.
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Post by: -eViL- on November 23, 2004 06:15 pm CST
i got 1 of 5 copies at my walmart... i love hugantic towns! :P
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Post by: Razore on November 23, 2004 06:58 pm CST
Im forking pissed. This is utter bullmalarkey. they dont allow you to use your free month unless you pay with a credit card or game card first. Game cards arent even out yet. Wtf? Go blizz.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on November 24, 2004 01:10 am CST
Cry much? Just kidding. Ok, me and my dad went to pick it up early around 7:07. We got two copies, and we are in East Realm>>StormRage>>PvE. If anyone wants to play a secondary character on the realm I'm on go ahead it will be fun to team. I'll make one on yours too.

Anyways after nonstop playing I made it to level 10. Half way to 11. (Note that I never played the beta so I'm totally new and don't know where all the quests are, it's actually better this way, more adventerous.  :lol: )

Yeah.. So if anyone wants to come play together it would be great, I have like 10 quests I need to finish. I've been doing more of them in the Undead zones.

My player name is Awakening (Horde>>Trolls>>Shaman>>Level 10)
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Post by: 12Stones on November 24, 2004 10:20 am CST
Boooo..  don't play PvE!  PvP is what makes the end-game fun!  Going on raid parties with 12 other people and tearing through every horde/alliance member you see is really fun..

On PvP servers, if you are in your territory, you have to hit the enemy first for them to be able to hit you, so it's not like it's going to hinder you from leveling..
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on November 24, 2004 03:22 pm CST
Yeah we are playing PvP after we build our PvE characters up. Plus I thought if they raid they can just kill you, even if they are like 40 and you are 2..
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Post by: Matanza on November 24, 2004 07:04 pm CST
idle #wow

http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=240 (http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=240)
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Post by: Kyrie on November 24, 2004 07:54 pm CST
A PvP server is the same as a PvE server except that in PvE you can only be attacked if you declare yourself as part of the PvP (by attacking or aiding someone being attacked by the enemy). In PvP you can be attacked only if you are in enemy territory or a contested territory. The same is true for PvE, but unlike PvE, when you're in either of those two, you can be attacked at any time.
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Post by: Matanza on November 25, 2004 04:42 pm CST
I wish pvp servers were 100% open pvp. Meaning, you can attack anyone anywhere anytime. (maybe with a few penaltys for ganking low lvls)
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Post by: 12Stones on November 25, 2004 05:39 pm CST
Quote from: "Matanza"
I wish pvp servers were 100% open pvp. Meaning, you can attack anyone anywhere anytime. (maybe with a few penaltys for ganking low lvls)


Yes, and instead of calling the game World of Warcraft, they could call it World of Whining.
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Post by: Kyrie on November 25, 2004 06:15 pm CST
Quote from: "12Stones"
Quote from: "Matanza"
I wish pvp servers were 100% open pvp. Meaning, you can attack anyone anywhere anytime. (maybe with a few penaltys for ganking low lvls)

Yes, and instead of calling the game World of Warcraft, they could call it World of Whining.


They already do. Just check out the forums, sometime.
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Post by: 12Stones on November 25, 2004 08:10 pm CST
Yeah..  I heard about all the unsavory womaning.  Poor nerds having to wait an hour or 2 to get on their server for a few days..  I bet they love being able to alt+tab without crashing..  they can watch their porn and take care of business during the wait!  [/sarcasm]

Blizzard is opening like 36 new servers on top of the 40something current ones for them, too..  whiny unsavory womanes.  I'd like to see them even comprehend releasing a MMORPG and not having to re-adjust or change things in the first few weeks.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on November 25, 2004 10:28 pm CST
Uhh I'm on the server that has a large population and it went down yesturday night for a couple hours. Why don't you go play on it and you could see why people complain. When you go to loot, you just freeze up. It didn't lag all today, so I guess it's fixed. Hurray!
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Post by: Matanza on November 25, 2004 11:28 pm CST
Quote from: "12Stones"
Yes, and instead of calling the game World of Warcraft, they could call it World of Whining.


I dont see why carebears play on a pvp server, its pretty annoying i agree
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Post by: 12Stones on November 26, 2004 05:01 pm CST
Quote from: "BlAcK-IcE"
Uhh I'm on the server that has a large population and it went down yesturday night for a couple hours. Why don't you go play on it and you could see why people complain. When you go to loot, you just freeze up. It didn't lag all today, so I guess it's fixed. Hurray!


They opened 36 new servers.. that's why.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on November 26, 2004 07:25 pm CST
Uhh, I said that because you were acting like it didn't really lag. I said "why don't you go try playing on it". It's way better now anyway.
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Post by: 12Stones on November 26, 2004 10:11 pm CST
Quote from: "BlAcK-IcE"
Uhh, I said that because you were acting like it didn't really lag. I said "why don't you go try playing on it". It's way better now anyway.


I played closed and open beta when there were only 9 servers up for the East Coast..  500,000 people signed up for the closed beta.  There were times when I had to wait 4 hours+ to get on.. I would open it before I went to bed, or before I actually wanted to play it.  You're right.. I was acting like it didn't really lag, but you're also wrong, because compared to beta, it really didn't.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on November 27, 2004 04:05 am CST
Mmmkay.. Anyway I'm level 16 now, yay!
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Post by: 12Stones on November 27, 2004 11:42 am CST
You'll be loving the shaman once you hit like 25..  that's when grouping becomes almost mandatory, and as a healer eeevverryoonee will want you in their group ;)
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on November 27, 2004 05:35 pm CST
Well, level 19 now. I can't wait for 20, I get to be a wolf! I can get around alot faster. My mom was getting mad at me for using her computer to play WoW because mine didn't have a good video card, but my parents pitched in and got ANOTHER World of Warcraft, and a new card. So now I'll be leveling without the hassle of sharing an account.  :twisted:

Damn servers are down for 1-2 hours now though.
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Post by: Hersh on November 27, 2004 05:41 pm CST
Oh yea, lvl 9 Elf Warrior.
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Post by: Kyrie on November 27, 2004 07:37 pm CST
I'm really enjoying this game. During OB, I was rushing to get my char as far as I could to experience as much as I could. Now, I'm just taking my time, leveling slowly and getting my skills as high as I can.  Lvl 15 Rogue Troll on StormReaver
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Post by: Hollywood on November 28, 2004 01:06 pm CST
Level 20 Orc Hunter now. I have lost two fights so far. One to a +2 Druid (Murrdyn from Orb) and one to a rogue that got me from stealth.
So far I've beaten:
Mage - Even level to +4
Paladin - Never seen one so far
Shaman - Even level to +1
Other hunters - Even to +3
Rogues - Even to +1, but one kicked my ass
Priest - Never fought
Druid - Even to +2, but lost to one
Warrior - -1 to +4, pretty easy fights here

PVP in this game is really fun. I think I'll head to Ashenvale and try to pick off some Alliance tonight on Stormreaver.
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Post by: Hollywood on November 28, 2004 01:18 pm CST
Here are some screenshots I have taken thusfar:

(http://http://img120.exs.cx/img120/7813/fight2.th.jpg) (http://http://img120.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img120&image=fight2.jpg)
Fight with a raptor

(http://http://img120.exs.cx/img120/2892/gnarus3.th.jpg) (http://http://img120.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img120&image=gnarus3.jpg)
Me. Check out the DPS.

(http://http://img120.exs.cx/img120/3959/flight.th.jpg) (http://http://img120.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img120&image=flight.jpg)
Flying

(http://http://img120.exs.cx/img120/3992/waterfight1.th.jpg) (http://http://img120.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img120&image=waterfight1.jpg)
Fighting underwater

(http://http://img120.exs.cx/img120/1379/poor_raptor.th.jpg) (http://http://img120.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img120&image=poor_raptor.jpg)
This made me sad. That raptor is my pet :)

Anyone else have pictures?
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Post by: UnderGod on November 28, 2004 02:18 pm CST
How much per month is this game?
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Post by: Hollywood on November 28, 2004 03:10 pm CST
12.95

Well worth it.
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Post by: UnderGod on November 28, 2004 05:00 pm CST
Do they have those prepaid month things? For instance... I could buy 3 months from a retail store and use my account for those. I say this because it is rare for a game to keep me addicted for more than 3 months anymore... I haven't touched T:V in weeks. Especially with HL2 out.
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Post by: villman420 on November 28, 2004 05:04 pm CST
thats cheaper then my bro payed for coh
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Post by: -eViL- on November 28, 2004 05:38 pm CST
Quote from: "UnderGod"
Do they have those prepaid month things? For instance... I could buy 3 months from a retail store and use my account for those. I say this because it is rare for a game to keep me addicted for more than 3 months anymore... I haven't touched T:V in weeks. Especially with HL2 out.


yes oz, they have prepaid game cards, they are suppose to be released to stores tomorrow (11/29/04)
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Post by: Razore on November 28, 2004 06:15 pm CST
I love taking my time. Im only a level 17 rogue. Ill take pics in a sec.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on November 28, 2004 09:34 pm CST
Level 20 shaman here also, ghost wolf rocks!
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Post by: Razore on November 29, 2004 12:29 am CST
Ill post a stats pic later, and I just hit 18. Heres a pic of me screwin around.


(http://http://img21.exs.cx/img21/8132/Waterfall1.jpg)
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Post by: remote-control on December 1, 2004 03:51 am CST
lvl 18 shaman here ^_^ man ok, i had a paladin, lvl 13, but he was a fukkin pussy... kept getting beat.. I was getting PISSED!! and i was tired of the queues on stormreaver, so i went to another server, and MAN!! SHAMANS FREAKIN PWN!! they are a TON of fun, and i do INSANE damage, not to mention i can duel and kick some as$! so far, i am VERY happy with my shaman ^_^
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Post by: -eViL- on December 1, 2004 08:40 am CST
level 26 dwarf hunter

i get aspect of the beast soon, makes me untrackable :D

currently i have like 10% better chance of doing criticals, and i get an extra 50% damage on the criticals.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on December 1, 2004 01:22 pm CST
Level 22 shaman now.
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Post by: -eViL- on December 1, 2004 05:52 pm CST
i am a guild with a 31 warrior, 27 paladin, 27 hunter (me), 24 paladin, 20 druid.... the rest are all 10-15ish
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on December 1, 2004 06:05 pm CST
Heh just dinged 23. Server going down though.  :roll:
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Post by: Razore on December 2, 2004 12:50 am CST
Theres already a level 60. Im level 20, my friends tell me to stop leveling so they can catch up so I made an enchanter, and ive been leveling her up for a while.


I do have my own guild, Marutans Pirates. Were the biggest guild on the server! I think. Were 2g away from tabards.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on December 2, 2004 01:04 pm CST
60 in just over a week? My ass. The highest i've seen is 38.
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Post by: Hollywood on December 2, 2004 03:59 pm CST
http://www.maxmeout.com (http://www.maxmeout.com)
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Post by: villman420 on December 2, 2004 05:20 pm CST
my bros friend was 35 a couple nights ago. not sure about now
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on December 3, 2004 01:20 pm CST
Jesus, if you're almost level 60 you really need a damn life. Sorry but you really do.
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Post by: Razore on December 3, 2004 10:37 pm CST
I got banned.

-edit- Grats to Xenif. He hit 60 at 9:54 central. And he has the 1000g mount. Guild supplied him with 225g, he got the rest himself. I bet it was multiple people playing. Server Stormweaver for anyone that wants to know.
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Post by: remote-control on December 4, 2004 12:20 am CST
howd u get banned?
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on December 4, 2004 12:26 am CST
Yeah me, my dad and my mom were discussing. We all agreed that they have people sharing that account/character. That makes the game no fun, glad I'm on a server with no 50+ yet. Highest is 47. Well maybe 51 now, not sure. At least it's not 55+ or 60.  :x
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Post by: Razore on December 4, 2004 12:42 am CST
I got banned, Its a long story that I dont care to tell, Remote.

But today I hung out with the highest people in the server down at gadgetzan. It was fun. I was the first person to put something in the cross-faction auction house. Woo.
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Post by: Hollywood on December 4, 2004 10:05 am CST
http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?p=Murrdyn (http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?p=Murrdyn)
First person in retail to get that pole. ORB = WINNARS!

Edit: That profile is showing incorrectly. He got the rare drop big iron fishing pole.
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Post by: Hollywood on December 4, 2004 10:11 am CST
Quote from: "Razore"
I got banned, Its a long story that I dont care to tell, Remote.

But today I hung out with the highest people in the server down at gadgetzan. It was fun. I was the first person to put something in the cross-faction auction house. Woo.


Accounts Banned for Speed Hacking - Block on 12/3/04
We wanted to take this time to make an announcement about a serious hacking violation in World of Warcraft, one for which we have zero tolerance. Certain individuals have been identified as using speed hacks to accelerate their characters. This goes against the theme of fair play that we have instituted for the game, and is in clear violation of the World of Warcraft Terms of Use.
Those individuals who were caught using the speed hack have been banned from the game and have had their accounts closed. We must stress once again that we are opposed to hacking and cheating of any kind and are dedicated to maintaining a fair environment in our games. This will serve as a final warning to others who are considering using the speed hack. If you are caught using it, you will be banned without question from World of Warcraft and your account will be revoked.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this matter. If you suspect someone of using the speed hack, or wish to report other instances of cheating, please email us at hacks@blizzard.com. Thank you again for your continued support.





forker.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on December 4, 2004 10:14 am CST
What's so good about that anyway.  :roll:
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Post by: remote-control on December 4, 2004 12:35 pm CST
Razore... I just read about the ban on speedhacking on http://www.worldofwarcraft.com. (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com.).

You f*cking pussy as$ cheater... I'm GLAD you got banned. I hate cheaters, cause they are fags. So go take your cheating elsewhere, kthxbye.
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Post by: Frantic on December 4, 2004 12:55 pm CST
Haha, I hope you never get to play again.

Speedhackin' fag.
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Post by: remote-control on December 4, 2004 01:50 pm CST
haha true that, i think blizzard is doing a GREAT thing not giving them warnings or anything, just flat out banning them, your fukked, kinda thing... awesome move on their part.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on December 4, 2004 02:35 pm CST
Razore is an immature twat, glad he got banned. Kids 14 and below don't deserve to play WoW. It isn't WoW rated T for Teen? Razore is like 11. :-D
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Post by: Razore on December 4, 2004 02:57 pm CST
Wow you guys are dumbasses. I got banned for my guild calling this guy a negro. I was banned for three hours you forking idiots.

Heres a quote of theemail dumbasses:
Quote
Realm: US West
Server(s): Gorgonnash
Character Name: Rasufe

Offense: Harassment - Racial/Ethnic

Details: 12/4/2004 1:58 Rasufe  "WE DONT WANT NEGROS ON THIS GUILD"

(YES I WAS QUOTING A GUILD MEMBER, THATS WHY I GOT BANNED FOR THREE HOURS. THE GUILD MEMBER I QUOTED WAS BANNED FOR THREE DAYS)

The actions detailed above have been deemed inappropriate for World of Warcraft by the In-Game Support staff of Blizzard Entertainment. As a result, this account has received a warning and a 3 hour account suspension.  Until the suspension has been lifted, the account will not be accessible.  Please note that Blizzard Entertainment will be unable to provide further information regarding the specific time an account will be accessible again.

For further information, please view the World of Warcraft harassment policy and Terms of Use Agreement: (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/policy/harassment.shtml (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/policy/harassment.shtml)) and (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/termsofuse.shtml (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/termsofuse.shtml)).

Be aware that additional inappropriate actions may result in further disciplinary action, including account closure. We thank you in advance for respecting our position and hope that you will continue to enjoy your gaming experience in World of Warcraft.

Regards,
Matalonu
Game Master
Blizzard Entertainment
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com)

Customer satisfaction is a top priority here at Blizzard Entertainment, and we would like your feedback on the level of service you have received. Please feel free to provide such feedback at the following web address: http://www.blizzard.com/support/?id=eSu ... @GMAIL.COM (http://www.blizzard.com/support/?id=eSurvey000&i=168&d=12/3/2004%208:41:32%20PM&t=RAZORE@GMAIL.COM)

Grow up.


Heres Blizzards reply to the emailk I wrote defending myself:

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In answer to your query, normally, Racial/ethnic slurs automatically receive a 72-hour suspension, on careful inspection your penalty was reduced to a three-hour penalty *because* you were only repeating it to guildmates. While these repercussions may seem harsh, we feel very strongly that these slurs have no place within the world of Azeroth due to their extremely offensive nature, repeated or not. Therefore, we regret to inform you that we are unable to reverse the account action previously issued.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and hope this has resolved any concerns you may have had.  Please let us know if we can be of further assistance to you.
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Post by: Frantic on December 4, 2004 03:22 pm CST
Quote from: "Razore"
Grow up.


Rofl, you're the one who called some guy a negro.
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Post by: villman420 on December 4, 2004 04:50 pm CST
wow... frantic misreading what people post. god youre stupid.
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Post by: Frantic on December 4, 2004 04:55 pm CST
Misreading? Try not reading.
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Post by: IceCube on December 4, 2004 05:06 pm CST
Quote from: "Razore"
Wow you guys are dumbasses. I got banned for my guild calling this guy a negro. I was banned for three hours you f*** idiots.

Heres a quote of theemail dumbasses:
Quote
Realm: US West
Server(s): Gorgonnash
Character Name: Rasufe

Offense: Harassment - Racial/Ethnic

Details: 12/4/2004 1:58 Rasufe  "WE DONT WANT NEGROS ON THIS GUILD"

(YES I WAS QUOTING A GUILD MEMBER, THATS WHY I GOT BANNED FOR THREE HOURS. THE GUILD MEMBER I QUOTED WAS BANNED FOR THREE DAYS)

The actions detailed above have been deemed inappropriate for World of Warcraft by the In-Game Support staff of Blizzard Entertainment. As a result, this account has received a warning and a 3 hour account suspension.  Until the suspension has been lifted, the account will not be accessible.  Please note that Blizzard Entertainment will be unable to provide further information regarding the specific time an account will be accessible again.

For further information, please view the World of Warcraft harassment policy and Terms of Use Agreement: (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/policy/harassment.shtml (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/policy/harassment.shtml)) and (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/termsofuse.shtml (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/termsofuse.shtml)).

Be aware that additional inappropriate actions may result in further disciplinary action, including account closure. We thank you in advance for respecting our position and hope that you will continue to enjoy your gaming experience in World of Warcraft.

Regards,
Matalonu
Game Master
Blizzard Entertainment
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com)

Customer satisfaction is a top priority here at Blizzard Entertainment, and we would like your feedback on the level of service you have received. Please feel free to provide such feedback at the following web address: http://www.blizzard.com/support/?id=eSu ... @GMAIL.COM (http://www.blizzard.com/support/?id=eSurvey000&i=168&d=12/3/2004%208:41:32%20PM&t=RAZORE@GMAIL.COM)

Grow up.


Heres Blizzards reply to the emailk I wrote defending myself:

Quote
In answer to your query, normally, Racial/ethnic slurs automatically receive a 72-hour suspension, on careful inspection your penalty was reduced to a three-hour penalty *because* you were only repeating it to guildmates. While these repercussions may seem harsh, we feel very strongly that these slurs have no place within the world of Azeroth due to their extremely offensive nature, repeated or not. Therefore, we regret to inform you that we are unable to reverse the account action previously issued.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and hope this has resolved any concerns you may have had.  Please let us know if we can be of further assistance to you.









haha beyatch
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Post by: villman420 on December 4, 2004 06:54 pm CST
what, not reading the first sentence razore says? wow, never knew it was that hard
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Post by: Frantic on December 4, 2004 07:03 pm CST
Quote from: "Razore"
Wow you guys are dumbasses.


Now how do you get that he didn't call a guy a negro from that?
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Post by: remote-control on December 4, 2004 07:11 pm CST
Ok, well Razore, why don't you SAY it next time, you said it was a long story, hell, that wasn't long. And I STILL say I'm glad you got banned, fukin racist bastard. Doesn't matter whether you are or not, maybe next time you'll think before quoting your dumbas$ friend next time, idiot.


skeet skeet skeet motherfuker
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Post by: Frantic on December 4, 2004 07:26 pm CST
"I got banned because one of my guildmates said "negro", and I repeated it."

Is that so hard?
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Post by: remote-control on December 4, 2004 08:58 pm CST
Hahaha frantic, well.. it might be hard for an 11yr old. Having to spell those big words that he probably has trouble with... like, "the" and "I". I'm amazed he's gotten thus far.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on December 4, 2004 09:32 pm CST
No I think he's like 10. Maybe he turned 11, not sure.
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Post by: Razore on December 4, 2004 09:45 pm CST
Actually, I did not say it. I was quoting it, and if they actually posted the whole chatlog, I said something along the lines of:
Rasufe: Rofl. That was so funny earlier.
Rasufe: "WE DONT WANT NEGROS IN OUR GUILD"
Rasufe: Lol

I quoted it, I am in no way racist, buds.  By the way, youre way off on the age thing.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on December 4, 2004 09:55 pm CST
Fine fine 12?
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Post by: villman420 on December 5, 2004 02:06 am CST
razore you even play on parts anymore?
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Post by: remote-control on December 5, 2004 03:52 am CST
Roflmao!
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Post by: Razore on December 5, 2004 10:10 am CST
Quote from: "villman420"
razore you even play on parts anymore?



Nope.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on December 5, 2004 11:17 am CST
Half the people on this forum don't even play anymore.
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Post by: Hollywood on December 6, 2004 11:22 pm CST
More pictures. Excuse the bad quality, its for hosting purposes.

[img=http://img69.exs.cx/img69/2821/x1iwowscrnshot113004.th.jpg] (http://http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=x1iwowscrnshot113004.jpg)A shaman Quest

[img=http://img69.exs.cx/img69/2729/b9udeadelf.th.jpg] (http://http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=b9udeadelf.jpg)
Dead Elf

[img=http://img69.exs.cx/img69/1466/v5rdeadgnome.th.jpg] (http://http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=v5rdeadgnome.jpg)
Love killing gnomes

[img=http://img69.exs.cx/img69/9129/g8cdeadhuman.th.jpg] (http://http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=g8cdeadhuman.jpg)
And a human I killed to round it off

[img=http://img69.exs.cx/img69/3181/d5bdualswords.th.jpg] (http://http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=d5bdualswords.jpg)
Hunter dual wielding swords

[img=http://img69.exs.cx/img69/987/q7rgmhasissues.th.jpg] (http://http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=q7rgmhasissues.jpg)
FUNNY PICTURE! Read the chat!

[img=http://img69.exs.cx/img69/3290/g3qpirate.th.jpg] (http://http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=g3qpirate.jpg)
Yarrrr!

[img=http://img69.exs.cx/img69/148/w2broguedualwield.th.jpg] (http://http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=w2broguedualwield.jpg)
My Rogue dual wielding

[img=http://img69.exs.cx/img69/6766/g8nundeadspeak.th.jpg] (http://http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=g8nundeadspeak.jpg)
Gimmic speaking undead

[img=http://img69.exs.cx/img69/3231/l9dtabard1.th.jpg] (http://http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=l9dtabard1.jpg)
Tabard idea 1

[img=http://img69.exs.cx/img69/6195/f0etabard2.th.jpg] (http://http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=f0etabard2.jpg)
Tabard idea 2

[img=http://img69.exs.cx/img69/9977/b3ptabard3.th.jpg] (http://http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=b3ptabard3.jpg)
Idea 3

[img=http://img69.exs.cx/img69/6586/k2utabard4.th.jpg] (http://http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=k2utabard4.jpg)
And idea 4

FINALLY
[img=http://img69.exs.cx/img69/1398/d2xsexyui.th.jpg] (http://http://img69.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img69&image=d2xsexyui.jpg)
My VERY sexy Customized UI
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Post by: Razore on December 7, 2004 09:47 am CST
I started a hunter 5 hours ago. Level 17. My rogue is now 25.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on December 7, 2004 01:15 pm CST
Yeah level 25 here also. I havn't played for a couple days.
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Post by: -eViL- on December 7, 2004 03:40 pm CST
34 hunter :/  and rogues don't count in the leveling race as they level the fastest.
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Post by: Hollywood on December 9, 2004 07:50 am CST
I level faster on my Hunter than on my rogue.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on December 9, 2004 01:00 pm CST
What level is your hunter?
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Post by: Hollywood on December 9, 2004 02:24 pm CST
31
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Post by: -eViL- on December 9, 2004 04:32 pm CST
my pally levels faster than my hunter and my rogue levels faster than my pally.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on December 9, 2004 05:50 pm CST
You lost me.  :lol:
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Post by: -eViL- on December 9, 2004 06:46 pm CST
rogues are forkin faster than malarkey levelers.  even if it is a complete noob on the other end.
Title: My Character
Post by: Talliun on December 10, 2004 06:24 pm CST
Karr
Level 21 Rogue Orc (Stormrage PvE)

Feel free to message me if your up for some questing or dueling ;-)
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Post by: Hersh on December 10, 2004 06:40 pm CST
Quote from: "-eViL-"
rogues are f*** faster than **** levelers.  even if it is a complete noob on the other end.


*Starts a Rogue Character
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on December 10, 2004 11:15 pm CST
I started up a hunter, he's almost 13. God hunters are awesome. I tamed a raptor and named him Spike, he's 12 also.  8)
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Post by: -eViL- on December 11, 2004 04:28 pm CST
i started a rogue last night, within 8 hours i was level 24.  that is forking insane, i don't give a hell what others think, thats reality.
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Post by: Frantic on December 31, 2004 08:45 pm CST
Maybe I'll start a Rogue? :O
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Post by: Razore on December 31, 2004 11:17 pm CST
What level is everyone? I was at 30 and I went on vacation so im behind =\

Only 35 now.
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Post by: -eViL- on January 1, 2005 02:56 pm CST
Which character?

-Arthas
  42 Dwarf Hunter
  28 Night Elf Priest
  34 Night Elf Rogue

-Stormreaver
  20 Tauren Warrior
  32 Troll Shaman

Working on the Priest currently, trying to do BFD runs for item enchanting.
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Post by: Razore on January 1, 2005 07:18 pm CST
Im at 37 now. Gonna try and get to at least 40 before school starts
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on January 2, 2005 07:12 pm CST
I went on vacation and go back to school tommorow, sucks. I'm level 31 shaman at the moment.
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Post by: Frantic on January 3, 2005 12:02 am CST
BlAcK-IcE, are you still in Stormrage? If you are, what's your name?

Me and -Triton- play there =] My name is Vivax and his is Rokg. Add to friends and PM me =]
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on January 3, 2005 01:07 pm CST
Yes I'm still Stormrage, my name is Awakening and I've played with Rokg(Triton) on my alt (Peeon) and I didn't even know it, haha. This was earlier though I found out that he was Rokg after.
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Post by: Frantic on January 23, 2005 07:44 pm CST
Ok, LVL 33 Orc Hunter on Stormrage. I love this char  :D

Updates people?
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Post by: Razore on January 23, 2005 08:24 pm CST
After leaving for three weeks, I find myself at 42 and will be 45 by tommorrow or the day after because of rest <3
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on January 23, 2005 10:18 pm CST
44 shaman on Stormrage.

Stormrage is the server people.
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Post by: -eViL- on January 24, 2005 07:20 am CST
47 rogue, 42 hunter, 27 priest.
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Post by: Paradox666 on January 24, 2005 08:35 am CST
Where can i get this game?
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on January 24, 2005 02:01 pm CST
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com) or buy it from a local gaming store near you!
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Post by: Frantic on January 24, 2005 02:12 pm CST
They stopped selling the game until they get their servers fixed, but you might be able to find one around at Walmart or something.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on January 24, 2005 02:19 pm CST
Walmart has everything and usually in stock. We went to Walmart for ours.. But it wasn't just "Walmart".. It was SUPER Walmart. See theres a difference.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 4, 2005 01:13 pm CST
Character level updates? Level 48 Shaman now. I got a 16 hunter and just made an undead mage recently. He's level 10. Resting him up for fast grinding.
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Post by: Frantic on February 4, 2005 01:44 pm CST
Level 39 Orc Hunter. Should be getting 40 tonight or early tomorrow, then I'll get my mount =).
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 6, 2005 04:06 am CST
;) Level 50! Going to get to 51 tonight and use my new shield and amulet. I love the temple!
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Post by: Frantic on February 6, 2005 04:31 pm CST
For those of you who don't have the game, here are some screenshots:

Anticipation builds...
(http://http://img29.exs.cx/img29/3083/screen25if.jpg)

The doors are thrown open...
(http://http://img20.exs.cx/img20/3370/screen34hn.jpg)

Here she comes...
(http://http://img20.exs.cx/img20/1198/screen47by.jpg)

Kill her! (We did)
(http://http://img137.exs.cx/img137/9572/screen58rt.jpg)

And on the beach:


The first attempt...
(http://http://img20.exs.cx/img20/4946/screen10xp.jpg)

Ouch. All dead but me (I love feign death). Better call for reinforcements.
(http://http://img104.exs.cx/img104/4451/owned7wm.jpg)

The second attempt. That is me sitting on my wolf, waiting for the right time to strike (my wolf is cooler than Black's raptor).
(http://http://img231.exs.cx/img231/7259/secondattempt5ie.jpg)

Victorious!
(http://http://img104.exs.cx/img104/7700/killed2cl.jpg)
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Post by: -eViL- on February 6, 2005 11:14 pm CST
what server?
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Post by: Frantic on February 7, 2005 05:57 am CST
Stormrage
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Post by: -eViL- on February 7, 2005 07:17 am CST
pansies, normal mode = sucks.  get on a real server and get to those levels.
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Post by: Razore on February 7, 2005 08:52 am CST
Quote from: "-eViL-"
pansies, normal mode = sucks.  get on a real server and get to those levels.


...Wait, hes not on a PvP server? Psh.

48 Rogue..Im leveling slow...

Just got my Thrash Blade/Claw of Celebras :D
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Post by: Xanth on February 7, 2005 10:46 am CST
Wow, that games looks cool, lol
I guess I will have to go look up my copy :)
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 7, 2005 01:04 pm CST
Maraudon sucks, try temple. I got my Dragon's Eye and Shield of Surpency or whatever there. 2 bars from 51 and I can use both. Wewt.
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Post by: -eViL- on February 7, 2005 04:05 pm CST
I am waiting to be convinced of what the "usefull" classes are at levle 60, because so far  I have generated this list:

Rogues - Die too fast, no AOE stuff.
Paladins - Can't keep aggro.
Warlocks - Nice damage, but can be killed in a snap if caught off gaurd without their shields up.
Druids - Healers, yes.  Lack of DPS.
Warriors - Are nice but don't benefit until level 60 and don't have enough resistance to be able to stay alive for long in some places.

So would anyone like to venture any guesses on good classes for end game instances... ie LBRS & UBRS... and then even into the battlefields??
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Post by: Razore on February 7, 2005 04:39 pm CST
Quote from: "-eViL-"
I am waiting to be convinced of what the "usefull" classes are at levle 60, because so far  I have generated this list:

Rogues - Die too fast, no AOE stuff.
Paladins - Can't keep aggro.
Warlocks - Nice damage, but can be killed in a snap if caught off gaurd without their shields up.
Druids - Healers, yes.  Lack of DPS.
Warriors - Are nice but don't benefit until level 60 and don't have enough resistance to be able to stay alive for long in some places.

So would anyone like to venture any guesses on good classes for end game instances... ie LBRS & UBRS... and then even into the battlefields??


On our server we typically have 1-3 rogues in a high level instance (60)

A dagger rogue specced for ambush backstab etc, a (I forgot what it was called at the moment) rogue who has imp sap, etc etc things to help them deal with multiple monsters, and then they have a combat rogue basically (For ROGUES). Our servers high levels are really "hardcore" I guess. Is you do 3% less damage than another rogue in your group, they will boot you and insult you and call you useless. It happens alot. People on my server dont have people skills.
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Post by: Artorius on February 7, 2005 06:36 pm CST
I'm not impressed, perhaps it's just Jonah's settings... or view, but the graphics don't look as spectacular as I would expect.

Is it impossible to solo?
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Post by: Razore on February 7, 2005 06:41 pm CST
Quote from: "Artorius"
I'm not impressed, perhaps it's just Jonah's settings... or view, but the graphics don't look as spectacular as I would expect.

Is it impossible to solo?


Its your choice. You can solo or party. I think soloing to 60 is faster. But once you hit 60, you cant really do anything without a group. (BRD, Stratholme, Scholomance etc)
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Post by: 12Stones on February 7, 2005 09:15 pm CST
Quote from: "Artorius"
I'm not impressed, perhaps it's just Jonah's settings... or view, but the graphics don't look as spectacular as I would expect.

Is it impossible to solo?


I played the beta on my brother's system, and one of my friends plays over here sometimes..  it looks much much better than that with a nice graphics card.  Ours is a p4 3 ghz, gig of ram, and a 9800XT (256)..  the game looks amazing.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 8, 2005 01:33 pm CST
Be a Shaman, can heal, spellcast and decently strong melee.
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Post by: UnderGod on February 8, 2005 04:01 pm CST
Level 60 rogue speaking -

If you know how to play, you can keep aggro off you, plus vanish ect. I rarly die unless I do something stupid.

They don't need AoE, do far enough damage on a single target.


Oh yeah, did I mention I bought WoW? Did I also mention I'm alive?
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Post by: -eViL- on February 8, 2005 05:04 pm CST
what server oz man?
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Post by: Frantic on February 8, 2005 05:05 pm CST
Just hit 41. I'm thinking of starting up either a mage or a rogue.
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Post by: Razore on February 8, 2005 10:20 pm CST
I'd be 60 by now, but I left for 3 weeks on vacation/school trip =\
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 9, 2005 01:06 pm CST
I'd be 60 too. I left for 2 weeks for Christmas. =( I'm like 1/4 into 52.
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Post by: -eViL- on February 9, 2005 02:20 pm CST
i can't find any 1 character that suits my playstyle, i would rather cross a warrior with a priest and then yet again with a mage.  Warrior for the aggro and the armor, priest for the healing, mage for the massive ranged damage.

that and i am getting tired of trying to find groups, thats a unsavory woman.
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Post by: 12Stones on February 9, 2005 02:25 pm CST
What would you consider the easiest class to solo?  It would help if it had semi-decent grouping abilities as well, but that's optional.
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Post by: Frantic on February 9, 2005 03:02 pm CST
Quote from: "12Stones"
What would you consider the easiest class to solo?  It would help if it had semi-decent grouping abilities as well, but that's optional.


Rogue and Hunter are both great for soloing. Neither are too great in instances/groups at higher levels, though.

So far I have had no problems finding groups, but I guess being in a 120 person guild helps.
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Post by: 12Stones on February 9, 2005 03:16 pm CST
One more question..  what are the main differences between a Shaman and a Priest?
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Post by: UnderGod on February 9, 2005 03:52 pm CST
Segeras.

As a rogue, I never have problems finding a group - yes I also am in a large guild.

Warlocks are probably the best soloing class. Rogues are the probably the best pvp. I would take a paladin over a warrior to tank, because it takes a VERY smart warrior to tank properly.

The difference between priest and shaman.

Think of it this way:

A priest is a healer. Priests have some decent shadow spells for soloing, and fear can be decent in pvp. Shaman are basicly short-lived demigods. Seriously.. Shaman can do a malarkey load of damage, and can take quite a beating. The thing is though is once their mana runs out they are worthless.

Sure it could be the same with a priest, but the priest isn't a primary damage dealer.

If it wasn't for shamans using so much mana, they would be overpowered.
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Post by: 12Stones on February 9, 2005 04:01 pm CST
I'm going to buy it on friday..  they started selling it in stores again correct?  I heard they stopped for a while till they fixed the servers.  Anyways, is stormrage PvP?  If it's not, i'm playing on a different one..  i'll either start a rogue or a shaman.
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Post by: Razore on February 9, 2005 04:31 pm CST
I run my guild, were currently up to a 74 member guild. Most is 15-20 on at a time. Its fun!
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Post by: Frantic on February 9, 2005 06:35 pm CST
Stormrage is not PvP, unfortunately. forking -Triton-, why couldn't he have picked a PvP server? :(

Tell me the server you choose, I might start an alt.
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Post by: 12Stones on February 9, 2005 10:14 pm CST
I'm down..  I think I'm going to play on Arthas.  My level 48 rogue friend plays there, and it's PvP.  I'll hit you up on AIM on friday when I buy it.
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Post by: UnderGod on February 10, 2005 05:10 am CST
If you can find a copy of the game.

They haven't stopped selling it since I bought it... They just can't keep copies on store shelves.
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Post by: -eViL- on February 10, 2005 11:37 am CST
I play Arthas but am currently looking to move, dunno where to.
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Post by: 12Stones on February 10, 2005 12:46 pm CST
Well when you decide, let me know..  i'll play on whatever you play on.  I'm sure Jonah will join us, too.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 10, 2005 01:05 pm CST
Join Stormrage. Unless you like being ganked on PvP servers. Also, Shamans aren't quite as useless without their mana as you think. Windfury and tank it out works, if it didn't I wouldn't be 52 or be playing my Shaman still.
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Post by: -eViL- on February 10, 2005 02:28 pm CST
Being ganked on PvP servers?  Get some skillz dude.  My 43 Night Elf Rogue can drop 3 40-48 horde without healing.  They can try to gank, i'll just give em more than they can handle.

You would just prefer to sit back and have a dandy old time with horde and  5ths around a campfire.  Join the professionals.
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Post by: Deathrain on February 10, 2005 02:42 pm CST
I was looking on the WoW website and whats this battlefield or battlegrounds thing their talking about (i dont have WoW btw)
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Post by: UnderGod on February 10, 2005 04:05 pm CST
Battlegrounds is supposed to turn WoW into Warcraft 3. What I mean is it is the war scenerio with units, bases, resources, all in the WoW environment. To get resources you have to do quests inside battlegrounds ect. This is all going on while a gigantic battle is raging on.

Read the full battlegrounds preview (parts 1 and 2) and you will get a pretty good idea. It is basicly 40 horde vs 40 alliance.

This is only for the 1st battlegrounds though. From what I understand they are going to do things differently for each one.


And as eViL said, PvP is a lot of fun. You gank, you get ganked, then you get your guild together and raid their towns. It is a lot of fun. You can avoid battle with mobs if you are smart. If someone of the opposite faction wants to fight you, you are either going to fight them, or not quest in that area for a while.

Besides, on my server there isn't much corpse camping. You just die, and they run away.

It isn't like you lose anything from dying in PvP anyway unless a mob gets the last hit.
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Post by: Frantic on February 10, 2005 04:19 pm CST
Oz, what server do you play on?
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Post by: Razore on February 10, 2005 04:32 pm CST
Quote from: "Frantic"
Oz, what server do you play on?


He said he plays on Sargeras.
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Post by: Deathrain on February 10, 2005 08:43 pm CST
i also heard that there not selling WoW nemore or something, will they put it back on the shelves if this is true? and when?
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Post by: Frantic on February 10, 2005 08:58 pm CST
Ozzy are you Alliance or Horde on Sargeras? Just started an Undead Rogue, LVL 9. Fun malarkey.
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Post by: UnderGod on February 10, 2005 09:39 pm CST
Quote from: "UnderGod"
If you can find a copy of the game.

They haven't stopped selling it since I bought it... They just can't keep copies on store shelves.



I'm a night elf, so alliance... Cynosure is the name of the guild. Oh, and don't expect me to spare you more than any other horde.. In fact I might just make a trip by the Tristful Glades =)
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Post by: Hollywood on February 10, 2005 10:01 pm CST
And what...taunt him?  :roll:
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Post by: 12Stones on February 10, 2005 10:02 pm CST
Quote from: "UnderGod"
Battlegrounds is supposed to turn WoW into Warcraft 3. What I mean is it is the war scenerio with units, bases, resources, all in the WoW environment. To get resources you have to do quests inside battlegrounds ect. This is all going on while a gigantic battle is raging on.

Read the full battlegrounds preview (parts 1 and 2) and you will get a pretty good idea. It is basicly 40 horde vs 40 alliance.

This is only for the 1st battlegrounds though. From what I understand they are going to do things differently for each one.


And as eViL said, PvP is a lot of fun. You gank, you get ganked, then you get your guild together and raid their towns. It is a lot of fun. You can avoid battle with mobs if you are smart. If someone of the opposite faction wants to fight you, you are either going to fight them, or not quest in that area for a while.

Besides, on my server there isn't much corpse camping. You just die, and they run away.

It isn't like you lose anything from dying in PvP anyway unless a mob gets the last hit.


Yeah, he's right..  besides, there are multiple areas to hunt/quest no matter what level you are.  The worlds are pretty big..

I read about the battlegrounds thing too.  They are also doing something new with orcs, but I can't remember..  I do know that they plan on releasing 6 tiers of boss-like monsters, and the strongest ones are currently the 1st and 2nd tier.  The battlegrounds thing reminds me of DAoC that has all the different posts to control..  it's going to make WoW twice as good as it already is!
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Post by: Frantic on February 10, 2005 10:24 pm CST
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I'm a night elf, so alliance... Cynosure is the name of the guild. Oh, and don't expect me to spare you more than any other horde.. In fact I might just make a trip by the Tristful Glades =)


Ah damnit.. I wanted to be on the same side as you ;\

Maybe I'll start over with Stones tomorrow night on Alliance. But I don't think so.. I can't stand Alliance, Horde is so much cooler ;p Plus I would be able to LVL faster as Horde since I've done it already to 41. Horde it is then! The name is Vivax, so if you see me spare me :P
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Post by: UnderGod on February 10, 2005 11:01 pm CST
Quote from: "Hollywood"
And what...taunt him?  :roll:


Yeah, I actually do that quite a bit.. Then the low levels yell and complain at the undercity... Then a few 40-50s come to hunt me not realizing what they are dealing with.

It is also fun for the occasional low level newbie to swing at you. I /sleep while they try to hit me and then I get bored /laugh and kill them. Then of course I have to /cry and /apologize because they were to little to play tag.

I actually do spare some horde. If I see someone questing, I might give them mercy if they seem innocent or are not on my kill-on-site list.

By the way, all shamans are on that list (It is actually a guild thing). Rogues are also on that list, but I give them the benefit of seeing me first--unless they are above 55.

I honestly don't have enough time to play that game.... weekends aren't enough.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 11, 2005 01:12 pm CST
Really eViL? You must be very skillzful. Professional my ass, by the way Ozzy.. At the moment I don't believe raiding more then 40+ is stable(or even less, depends how much you are talking, I made a random estimate). A few weeks back we set up a raid agaisnt Stormwind, and we had nearly 100+ Horde, word got around the alliance, so they were waiting at GoldShire just south-east of Stormwind. We ended up crashing the server for 20 minutes. The leaders and our "marshalls" were famous for a couple days.  :P
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Post by: UnderGod on February 11, 2005 01:36 pm CST
Actually we raided the undercity not too long ago with 2 raid parties. One of them was a full 40-man party and the 2nd had about half.

It didn't lag untill the Banshee Queen started casting. It also only lagged then because 60 people died in a matter of 2 seconds in one room.

It was really a pointless raid.. So we took about 30 people and raided Taren Mill.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 12, 2005 09:26 am CST
=/ Stupid Alliance raid TM like every day on our server.
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Post by: 12Stones on February 13, 2005 12:46 pm CST
Alright, I just bought WoW..  let's hear what servers you guys play on so we can organize something if a few of you are starting over like you mentioned.  Post your AIM/MSN name if you're interested.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 13, 2005 06:31 pm CST
Umm, me, Trit, and Jonah play on Stormrage. My AIM is BlAcKIcE398 and I'll be interested in making a PvP character but I won't be playing on it alot until I'm 60 on my main. (Currently 54)
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Post by: 12Stones on February 13, 2005 11:15 pm CST
Jonah and I are playing on Sargeras now.  I'm playing a rogue unless one more of you starts with us, otherwise i'm starting a shadow priest.
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Post by: Artorius on February 14, 2005 02:36 am CST
http://gprime.net/video.php/2vandfriends (http://gprime.net/video.php/2vandfriends)

Just reminded me of you guys. Seriously. 0_o
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Post by: -eViL- on February 14, 2005 07:06 am CST
I am on Arthas Alliance currently but I want to join Sargeras Horde just to see if I can get into fights with SorrowSong.   :wink:  And I am disappointed though, he is lvl 60 with no Nightslayer and no dragon's call.
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Post by: 12Stones on February 14, 2005 09:30 am CST
I'll be on in about 30 minutes evil (it's 10:30 EST).  Hit me up on AIM if you wanna start.
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Post by: -eViL- on February 14, 2005 12:19 pm CST
Monday's are the best time to be hitting me up to start new characters on WoW.  I have class from 9 AM to 9 PM and today is even worse as I had an exam at 9 AM and I am going from 2-9PM straight as my normal 1 hour break is now going to be playing broomball instead of eating dinner before my 7-9 class.
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Post by: Frantic on February 14, 2005 01:46 pm CST
Stones what's your name?
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Post by: GStricto on February 14, 2005 01:47 pm CST
I've never really played WoW mostly because I couldn't afford the monthly charge (horrible idea, I would rather pay $100 for the game - but I can see why a company would like monthly charges).  That being said, I was reading a humorous article about a mage of some sort on WoW that would use a spell to turn people into sheep.  He talked about how he would sheep the strongest member of a party or someone who was lagging behind in a raid, and groups would stop to help/defend that person.  Thus, he made his escape.  He also told one story of sheeping a player in a party where all the members were 15-20 levels higher.  This party got pissed and chased him into a town...  The guards and players in the town saw him running and proceeded to rape the entire party chasing him.

Now that sounds like a damn good time...  I guess people are lucky I don't play because I have a feeling I would abuse that.  :twisted:
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Post by: Frantic on February 14, 2005 02:20 pm CST
Yeah, there are a lot of things like that which make WoW fun. I remember -Triton- and I went up to Ashenvale and bait some newbies. Triton is only lvl 29, so he would flag his PvP and sit in the middle of a road. Then a LVL 35 would come along and try to kill Triton, thus flagging himself, and I would jump out and kill the LVL 35  :P

The skill you described is polymorph. Definately a cool skill, but even cooler is the Priest's mind control. They can take control of another player for a minute and do anything. For example a priest could control an enemy and force him to kill his friends  :twisted:
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Post by: -eViL- on February 14, 2005 04:33 pm CST
no, mind control is best used with town gaurds... take control of a 62 town gaurd and start wailing on someone... oh yea :)
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 15, 2005 01:08 pm CST
Quote from: "Frantic"
Yeah, there are a lot of things like that which make WoW fun. I remember -Triton- and I went up to Ashenvale and bait some newbies. Triton is only lvl 29, so he would flag his PvP and sit in the middle of a road. Then a LVL 35 would come along and try to kill Triton, thus flagging himself, and I would jump out and kill the LVL 35  :P

The skill you described is polymorph. Definately a cool skill, but even cooler is the Priest's mind control. They can take control of another player for a minute and do anything. For example a priest could control an enemy and force him to kill his friends  8)
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Post by: 12Stones on February 15, 2005 06:57 pm CST
I started my shadow priest on Sargeras..  level 7 woohoo :P
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 15, 2005 08:48 pm CST
Wait for me!   :shock:
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Post by: Silvanoshei on February 16, 2005 01:53 am CST
Lightning bolt! Lightning bolt! Lightning bolt!

... Fruit! (?)
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 16, 2005 01:08 pm CST
.. Did they actually base that flash on World of Warcraft? Because Lightning bolt is a shaman skill. Or was it based on something else..  :?
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Post by: Silvanoshei on February 16, 2005 11:36 pm CST
I believe it was simply a bunch of kids playing some sort of live RPG. I know the Boy Scouts around here have something similar to that called a "fantasy camp", so I'm pretty certain those kids are for real. Plus, this video's been around for at least five years, so it wasn't based off of World of Warcraft.
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Post by: villman420 on February 17, 2005 12:33 am CST
is -triton- really suprbird from Super TVT World? aka xlorators son?
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Post by: Frantic on February 17, 2005 05:52 am CST
Quote from: "villman420"
is -triton- really suprbird from Super TVT World? aka xlorators son?


No... what the fork are you talking about?
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Post by: GStricto on February 17, 2005 08:04 am CST
Quote from: "villman420"
is -triton- really suprbird from Super TVT World? aka xlorators son?
I know there is a Triton who seems to be good friends with Jonah, but I have heard people talk to suprbird as Triton...  Sounds to me like we just have some kids who aren't too creative and happen to use the exact same name.
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Post by: Artorius on February 17, 2005 08:59 am CST
Kind of like how you're using GE's avatar?


LIGHTNING BOLT!! LOLOLOL
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 17, 2005 01:05 pm CST
Hahahah.
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Post by: Frantic on February 17, 2005 01:47 pm CST
The -Triton- who we know, who has been using that name in TRPG for over 3 years is not "suprbird".
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Post by: villman420 on February 18, 2005 12:38 am CST
karne or someone on parts was telling me triton was suprbird so yell at him
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Post by: -eViL- on February 19, 2005 11:16 am CST
alright, stop bringing tribes into a tread about world of warcraft, so back off damn it.  this was the only uncorrupted thread in the place and now you had to bring that malarkey in here.

Anywho - rogues are pretty much useless and at later levels its becomes impossible to find groups for instances as such.
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Post by: Razore on February 19, 2005 06:38 pm CST
Quote from: "-eViL-"
alright, stop bringing tribes into a tread about world of warcraft, so back off damn it.  this was the only uncorrupted thread in the place and now you had to bring that **** in here.

Anywho - rogues are pretty much useless and at later levels its becomes impossible to find groups for instances as such.


Eh? In our server rogues are wanted and needed...
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Post by: 12Stones on February 19, 2005 11:17 pm CST
Rogues can be an excellent addition to the group if you know how to play them..  sap is a nice skill and rogues are good at being the tank-assist.  Personally, I just don't like the playstyle of rogues..  i'm liking my shadow priest much more.  And for anyone who says shadow priests can't solo, go make a warlock newb :P
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 20, 2005 02:17 am CST
12Stones you can't malarkey talk! You've had the game for like, 2 days.  :lol:


Hmm, about Rogues.. They seem very nice DPS wise. The most populated rogue style is crit % items. I see alot of 60's with most of their armor/trinkets/rings/weapons adding up to over 9% extra crit.. Damn they must have at least 20% to crit.. Plus some have full shadow, probably giving them a Set bonus for crit%.. I also see alot of people with the 2 Devilsaur set items which give crit % and the set bonus is probably even more crit % bonus! Jesus..
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Post by: Razore on February 20, 2005 03:32 am CST
Quote from: "BlAcK-IcE"
12Stones you can't **** talk! You've had the game for like, 2 days.  :x
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Post by: 12Stones on February 20, 2005 11:57 am CST
Quote from: "BlAcK-IcE"
12Stones you can't **** talk! You've had the game for like, 2 days.  :)
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Post by: Razore on February 20, 2005 12:58 pm CST
I just hit 54 =\ Im at a damn slow pace...

(I played both stress tests and open beta, 12. o_o)
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Post by: 12Stones on February 20, 2005 01:59 pm CST
I played the stress test for about an hour before I got entirely too stressed to play it anymore..  I guess I didn't actually PLAY because apparently the servers were too STRESSED to handle any more people =x

I played the closed beta for like a week or so.
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Post by: Deathrain on February 21, 2005 12:11 pm CST
i have a question, are there like game cards to renew your membership every month like other mmorpg's or do u have to use a credit card?
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 21, 2005 01:05 pm CST
Damn 12Stones, you're dense. I was joking, hence the " :lol: "..
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Post by: 12Stones on February 21, 2005 05:40 pm CST
Read what I wrote, and then read what you wrote, and tell me the difference..  did I not put in a ":)" as well?  :)
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 22, 2005 01:07 pm CST
Oh, it seemed like you were..  :x
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Post by: 12Stones on February 23, 2005 08:34 pm CST
It's all good.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on February 24, 2005 01:03 pm CST
I love you.
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Post by: GStricto on February 24, 2005 05:44 pm CST
*puts on his robe and wizard's hat*
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on March 1, 2005 01:03 pm CST
Oh yea, forgot to tell you all.. Ding, 60! Hit 60 a couple nights ago.
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Post by: 12Stones on March 1, 2005 01:43 pm CST
I switched over to Shattered Hand last night, and I hit 17 this morning.  Anyone else play there?  A few of my RL friends play there.. 48 rogue, 60 warlock, and 60 warrior.  They all started Alts with me, and we played pretty much all night last night..  t'was very fun.
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Post by: Zcore on March 1, 2005 05:08 pm CST
Hey, i got WoW this past saturday.

I play on Perenolde as a Human Paladin. I am currently lvl 18.
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Post by: 12Stones on March 1, 2005 05:47 pm CST
If anyone switches to Shattered Hand, i'll help you till you catch up with me :P  I also joined a guild that likes to help as well, and I'm sure I could get you in.  I know all the quests from 1 to 20 like the back of my hand..  iv'e done them like 6 times now.
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Post by: Talliun on March 15, 2005 12:27 pm CST
Are we still all leveling it out on World of Warcraft?

I'm almost at 60! I have to deal with only playing on the weekends, but only three more levels *cheer*.

What do you guys think of the PvP-reward system and rankings? I'm not sure I'm fond of how you have to work so hard to get your PVP rank up, get the officer’s items, and then not be able to use them once you sink to low.

Wouldn't that mean you'd have to devote too much of your real-life time to keep on top of the people who can play it a lot longer then you and thus get the high-yield rewards.

Not sure how realistic that is. Your city protectors/grand warlords end up becoming the “maturity challenged� 18/6 – 24/7 uber-powergamers. (Sorry for the bad taste on the stereotype – not everyone is like this)

Oh, no one has gotten the Bottomless Bags Recipe or Baron’s Mount drop have they? :-P If so, hmm.. congrats?

Where do you guys find the best spots to get your income at, other than through instance-run loot drops? What speculation do you guys have on the future instances, zones and raid events they’ll be adding? Some examples I can think of are Uldum, Caverns of Time, Gilneas, Emerald Dream etc.

Well, can't wait for Battlegrounds here. Also can't wait to do some more raid's on the capitals for Honor Points on the world bosses in them (the leaders). Giant raid on Ironforge can you say?

How are all my Stormrage players? Awakening, Rokg and Vivax is it right?

For the Horde!

Talliun (aka Karr)
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Post by: Cooled on March 15, 2005 01:35 pm CST
ehy anyone play on EU? Shattered Hand I play on that server in Eu, might be a US server to... lvl 31 rogue named Ghañes if it's the EU one - might meet ya sometime.
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Post by: Frantic on March 15, 2005 03:00 pm CST
As I said I made the switch to Sargeras (PVP). I hit 40 over the weekend and bought my mount, and since then I've been ganking like a madman  :twisted:
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Post by: Frantic on March 15, 2005 03:11 pm CST
Two screenshots.

(http://http://img12.exs.cx/img12/3310/verylarge8ur.jpg)

A very large troll..

(http://http://img12.exs.cx/img12/2169/verysmall7nm.jpg)

and a very small undead. I ended up killing that 44 Elf.
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Post by: Kyrie on March 15, 2005 03:35 pm CST
I've been playing WoW but I got a virus recently that won't let me. Soon I'll be back, though!
lvl 54 Troll Rogue - StormReaver

(http://http://plobe.com/~treshnell/wow/Chase.jpg)
(http://http://plobe.com/~treshnell/wow/RogueShip.jpg)
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Post by: Razore on March 15, 2005 08:51 pm CST
(http://http://img230.exs.cx/img230/764/snowninja3lp.th.jpg) (http://http://img230.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img230&image=snowninja3lp.jpg)

Been 60 for a while too :P heres a pic...Its a quick one cause im on the run.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on March 16, 2005 01:18 pm CST
What weapons are those?
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Post by: Razore on March 16, 2005 04:51 pm CST
Currently, I use pretty bad weapons. I need to respec for ANOTHER time =\ Its been 50g respecs for a LONG time.

I use Barman Shanker/Lifeforce Dagger when im specced dagger, as you see there. When I spec my own strange build, I use Assassination Blade/Lifeforce.

I don't want to brag, but im in the top 3 rogues of the server. :P
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Post by: Frantic on March 16, 2005 06:46 pm CST
Quote from: "Razore"
I don't want to brag, but im in the top 3 rogues of the server. :P


How is this ranked... and by who?
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Post by: Razore on March 16, 2005 07:51 pm CST
Quote from: "Frantic"
Quote from: "Razore"
I don't want to brag, but im in the top 3 rogues of the server. :P

How is this ranked... and by who?


Its ranked by duels. Im probably very bad at group PvP, but we duel ALOT outside IF, thats like the 60 hangout.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on March 17, 2005 01:52 pm CST
What you need is the item I won (since our 5 man LBRS party didn't need) The spider is indeed a rare spawn called.. "Crystal Fang" but he drops this..

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=17387 (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=17387)

(Well, didn't know it was 7.7%, I guess I was just lucky)

Currently I use:

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=17773 (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=17773)
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http://www.thottbot.com/?i=3579 (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=3579) (Quest reward)
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Post by: Razore on March 17, 2005 05:38 pm CST
Quote from: "BlAcK-IcE"
What you need is the item I won (since our 5 man LBRS party didn't need) The spider is indeed a rare spawn called.. "Crystal Fang" but he drops this..

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=17387 (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=17387)

(Well, didn't know it was 7.7%, I guess I was just lucky)

Currently I use:

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=17773 (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=17773)
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http://www.thottbot.com/?i=3579 (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=3579) (Quest reward)


Crystal Spider isnt that great in my terms. I would only use it as an offhand, but that would be useless because I wouldnt use the mace if I ever got it. Im going for a krol/heartseeker.
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Post by: Artorius on March 18, 2005 06:01 am CST
Yeah well, I got the Bunnyslayer, AND a +4 Dagger of geek slaying.
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Post by: Frantic on March 18, 2005 05:05 pm CST
My guildy just dropped 400g for a Heartseeker.
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Post by: Razore on March 18, 2005 08:28 pm CST
Quote from: "Frantic"
My guildy just dropped 400g for a Heartseeker.


Its better to just find the materials.
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Post by: Frantic on March 18, 2005 09:48 pm CST
Yeah I think he bought most of the materials.
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Post by: -eViL- on March 19, 2005 04:31 pm CST
you have to buy the mats unless you are a miner.... for the most part anyways.  the azrothian diamonds can take a while to get....
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Post by: UnderGod on March 21, 2005 02:35 pm CST
Vivax, that names sounds familliar... I've killed you.. more than once.

My recent accomplishment.. Boss #3 in MC.
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Post by: Frantic on March 21, 2005 05:45 pm CST
What's your name Ozzy? Stop killin' me you bastage.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on March 21, 2005 11:04 pm CST
You're actually in a raiding guild?
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Post by: Artorius on March 22, 2005 02:10 pm CST
Apparently DoMInIk (or whatever the name is) is addicted as well, I forget which server he said.
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Post by: -eViL- on March 22, 2005 06:07 pm CST
If blizz leaves what they just did in for more than 3 days, I am cancelling my account come the 4th day.  Nerfing a rogue?  Bravo blizz, lets turn the damage dealer into the "make the group wipe" guy.  1 miss and you lose everything you had?  Then forking leave execute alone, and while we are at, make it so if frost shock is resisted, you lose all mana, and maybe if a hunter misses with aimed shot, he can't use his gun for 2 minutes.
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Post by: UnderGod on March 23, 2005 05:42 am CST
Umm..

The only "Nerf" was fixing the seal fate bug. I wouldn't consider the gem thing a nerf, but whatever.

Yes we raid almost nightly. That is why most of our 60's have most if not all of their elite equip.
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Post by: -eViL- on March 23, 2005 07:16 am CST
Oz, I had a 5 point evisc get "blocked".  Did 0 damage.  A 1900 damage shot, and it does 0 damage.
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Post by: UnderGod on March 23, 2005 07:53 am CST
That is not a rogue nerf.. That goes for warriors trying to get off a mortal strike or execute as well as a hunter trying to get off an aimed shot. If I'm not mistaken (which I may very well be) that hasn't changed from the last patch. It just displays differently.. Instead of displaying a "miss" or "dodge" it is showing block. At least it says this in the release notes.
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Post by: -eViL- on March 23, 2005 12:14 pm CST
If the execute misses now, the warrior keeps the rage.

1.3 Patch (Latest)

 Warrior
- Training costs adjusted. Total training cost was slightly increased.
- Battle Shout - Rage cost reduced.
- Bloodrage - Health cost reduced.
- Heroic Strike - Damage increased.
- Parry - Moved to level 6.
- Thunder Clap - Now causes Physical damage instead of Nature damage;
  damage increased; duration increased with each new rank.
  Improved Sunder Armor - Now decreases rage cost by 1/1/1.
  Improved Thunder Clap - Now decreases rage cost by 1/1/2.
- Execute - Full rage is no longer consumed when the ability does not
  hit.

- Overpower - Should now be usable when a special attack is dodged.
- Fixed a bug where rage was not being generated when normal melee
  attacks were parried, dodged, and blocked.
- Charge has been improved so it will work through doorways and won't
  path you through an entire dungeon.
- Sweeping Strikes bug fixed. It will hit more reliably and show up
  in combat log correctly.
- Added a visual to Sword Specialization "proc" that will now show up
  in the combat log as well.


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So Rogues now lose all 5 combo points and the energy that went into building up to that point, gg.  We deal 0 damage on a blocked hit, a warrior maintains his rage for another try.  The rogue deals 0 damage and loses everything, fair enough.
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Post by: UnderGod on March 25, 2005 10:30 am CST
He doesn't keep all the rage. Only partial just like any rogue ability that misses.
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Post by: Razore on March 28, 2005 08:48 am CST
Quote from: "UnderGod"
Umm..

The only "Nerf" was fixing the seal fate bug. I wouldn't consider the gem thing a nerf, but whatever.

Yes we raid almost nightly. That is why most of our 60's have most if not all of their elite equip.


MC is a 6 day reset...
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Post by: -eViL- on March 28, 2005 10:03 am CST
MC has several sections, no guild could EVER EVER EVER do all of MC in one night.  MC saves you at certain locations because of this fact.  Most guilds split it up into a 3 night instance, M/W/F.

PS - I watched Yojin (60 Warrior) hold aggro on 4 Corehounds at the same time, yea... that was impressive.. :P
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Post by: Artorius on March 28, 2005 07:26 pm CST
I don't know if I like mmorpgs anymore, takes so long to level. I'm currently playing MU Online, but only because it's fairly easy to "hack". Theres also lots of shiny glowy things.

I don't "hack" while pvping though, thats just lame.
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Post by: Type-S on March 31, 2005 03:40 am CST
Quote from: "-eViL-"
If the execute misses now, the warrior keeps the rage.
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This has been a known bug ever since Beta and it has finally been fixed now. On another note, Warrior threat generation via Sunder Armor has been stealth nerfed.
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Post by: Frantic on April 1, 2005 07:39 pm CST
I joined a new guild the other day. This guild is awesome, most of the core members of the guild are Tribes players.

Last night was "PvP night" so we headed to Southshore. This was not a ganking party ganking LVL 20s, our objective was to try and attract a large Alliance resistence and hopefully see a fun battle.

We had about 35 people on the raid, most of them guild members. Every single person was in Vent, with one person giving orders. I was one of the few people that were under 55-60.

(http://http://img147.exs.cx/img147/1506/firstshot4pv.jpg)

I've just arrived. They have been holding the windrider for about a half an hour, waiting for some Alliance resistance.

(http://http://img147.exs.cx/img147/1930/infernals3ae.jpg)

Warlocks get their infernos for an inferno rush :D That was cool to see.

(http://http://img147.exs.cx/img147/2291/advancing7yu.jpg)

We move in. Not many high LVL Alliance have gotten there yet, so we decide to take their Inn. And boy did we. The guard situation was handled flawlessly, with everyone staying very tight with mages AoEing. Very easy to coordinate with ventrilo.

(http://http://img147.exs.cx/img147/4209/inside5gr.jpg)

Inside the inn. There are more people in there than it actually looks like, some warlocks in the back room summoning people and some people upstairs handling the second story ressers.

(http://http://img147.exs.cx/img147/2920/stillinside3sh.jpg)

Still holding the Inn. Our hunters set traps at the door, and the mages AoE the main room and near the door. Guard rushes were no problem with this set up, and the Alliance that tried to get in (LVL 30-60) were wiped out quickly.

We kept this up for a long time, until finally the Alliance outnumbered us greatly. We got pushed out, regrouped and went back. We held the windrider for a while again, then I had to get off. Not sure what happened after that.

Very fun =)
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Post by: Artorius on April 3, 2005 05:15 pm CDT
Couple of questions:

Will lvl 60 be the top lvl for ever? 0_o Seems a lil low...

How long does it take to get to lvl 60, without botting/macros?

Can you buy a house/castle etc..?
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Post by: Frantic on April 3, 2005 06:23 pm CDT
No.

Depends. If you spend a lot of time PvPing, then it will of course take longer. But if it's straight LVLing maybe like 9 days play time. Thats 9 actual days playing the game, not 9 out of game days. And I don't think it is really possible to use bots. But you could hire a chinese company to power LVL you :D

No.
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Post by: Artorius on April 3, 2005 06:40 pm CDT
It's very possible to bot/macro. Atleast with mage.
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Post by: -eViL- on April 3, 2005 06:43 pm CDT
Yea, and then you get banned.  gg.
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Post by: Artorius on April 3, 2005 06:46 pm CDT
I highly doubt everyone who has ever used a bot on there has gotten banned. =/ Especially since it's p2p.
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Post by: Triton- on April 3, 2005 09:52 pm CDT
Quote from: "Artorius"
I highly doubt everyone who has ever used a bot on there has gotten banned. =/ Especially since it's p2p.


Hah. You will get banned in a p2p quicker then anything imaginable. They don't play around with stuff like that. If you get caught using one, you will be ban.
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Post by: Frantic on April 3, 2005 10:06 pm CDT
Blizzard has been cracking down on stuff like that. Farming gold to sell on Ebay, hacking, etc. No second chances, get caught and you're done. And you will get caught  :wink:
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Post by: Artorius on April 3, 2005 11:39 pm CDT
I hate to break it to you guys, but I know of an entire forum dedicated to botting and general hacking(cracking) of WoW, and they seem to be getting away with it quite nicely.

I don't believe they have any hacks to speak of, probably because the packets are very encrypted. Theres plenty of public bots out, auto-loot included of course. Most seem to be for mages, but theres a few out there for melee fighters.

*Edit*

Just found a proggy that gives you "free" tracking abillities, it's also more of a sub forum actually. So maybe there are hacks out there. ^_^
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on April 4, 2005 01:15 pm CDT
I doubt they will make you aloud to go past level 60.. There's a total of 51 talent points, which can give you upgraded skills and such.. (Not really going to explain it) but, if you can reach the end of the talent tree, like in DiabloII.. Usually you put 31 points in a tree to get the special power. There's a total of 3 talent tree's you can go down. Anyway, they made only 51 talents to prevent you from getting too many talent skills.. For example the mage: 21 in arcane can get you:

Evocation - 1500% mana regeneration for 8 seconds..
Presence of Mind - All spells below 10 second cast time are instant..

And then you can put 30 into fire if you wanted fire power.. Or you can just spill them into arcane or ice.. But, they made only 51, because if you had 52 you could get those two skills ^^ plus Combustion (31 points in Fire) which does 100% next fire spell is a critical hit.. Presence of Mind + Combustion + Pyroblast = instant 1500+ damage, which is basically an instant killer in PvP.  :P
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Post by: Kyrie on April 4, 2005 03:36 pm CDT
They could raise the level cap but not give you anymore talent points when you gain levels.
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Post by: Razore on April 4, 2005 05:47 pm CDT
Quote from: "Kyrie"
They could raise the level cap but not give you anymore talent points when you gain levels.



Or they could do what they said they are going to do. Make hero classes that you do a quest for once you hit 60
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on April 4, 2005 07:02 pm CDT
Quote from: "Kyrie"
They could raise the level cap but not give you anymore talent points when you gain levels.


Yeah, I forgot to add that in my post.. >_<
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Post by: Artorius on April 4, 2005 09:18 pm CDT
Quote from: "BlAcK-IcE"
I doubt they will make you aloud to go past level 60.. There's a total of 51 talent points, which can give you upgraded skills and such.. (Not really going to explain it) but, if you can reach the end of the talent tree, like in DiabloII.. Usually you put 31 points in a tree to get the special power. There's a total of 3 talent tree's you can go down. Anyway, they made only 51 talents to prevent you from getting too many talent skills.. For example the mage: 21 in arcane can get you:

Evocation - 1500% mana regeneration for 8 seconds..
Presence of Mind - All spells below 10 second cast time are instant..

And then you can put 30 into fire if you wanted fire power.. Or you can just spill them into arcane or ice.. But, they made only 51, because if you had 52 you could get those two skills ^^ plus Combustion (31 points in Fire) which does 100% next fire spell is a critical hit.. Presence of Mind + Combustion + Pyroblast = instant 1500+ damage, which is basically an instant killer in PvP.  :P



You could have just said, D2 level system with Warcraft's named slapped onto it.
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Post by: GStricto on April 4, 2005 09:27 pm CDT
Quote from: "Razore"
Or they could do what they said they are going to do. Make hero classes that you do a quest for once you hit 60
I don't have the game (because I can't afford the monthly fee) but everything I have read about it says that you go up to level 60 then make "horizontal" (for lack of a better word) moves from there.  Supposedly these will make you more powerful but not unstoppable.  Or maybe I'm reading from crap sources.
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Post by: Kyrie on April 4, 2005 09:50 pm CDT
That's about what it is.
Soon a PVP reward system will be implemented where the more you kill other players (of close level) the more points you get. Once you get points, you will get a rank based on the percentage of points you've gotten. Higher ranks will allow you access to special areas in the main city, the ability to purchase special armors and weapons, and I think you also get special abilities.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on April 5, 2005 01:07 pm CDT
You don't get abilities( I think ). Set class pvp armor, random blues for different rankings, and a pvp title..

By the way you'll be wearing the high level set armors for no more then a day considering I doubt you'll keep up that rank.
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Post by: -eViL- on April 5, 2005 03:11 pm CDT
It isn't daily.  Rankings are compiled weekly.

P.S. - I am about to cancel my account, 60 is boring, expecially when you are guildless and can't do MC/Onyxia, kinda destroys endgame.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on April 5, 2005 10:22 pm CDT
Solution: Join a raiding guild.

 :P
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Post by: Artorius on April 5, 2005 10:32 pm CDT
I've never made it to the 'max' level in a mmorpg, I prefer to play every class a bit, THEN get sick of the game. ^_^
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Post by: Razore on April 5, 2005 10:40 pm CDT
Quote from: "-eViL-"
It isn't daily.  Rankings are compiled weekly.

P.S. - I am about to cancel my account, 60 is boring, expecially when you are guildless and can't do MC/Onyxia, kinda destroys endgame.



Exteremely boring. On our server, we got all the top pvp rogues and made a little organization that only allows rogues in. We harass ogrimmar and do stealth raids, its very fun.
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Post by: Triton- on April 6, 2005 09:22 pm CDT
eViL don't take this personel, but you can if you want.  I wouldn't want you in my guild because you try to know it all and have to have everything your way. I mean you can't always be the leader/greatest in everything, your gonna have to listen to someone every now and then.  You may be thinking wtf right now but I'm just saying.  I could see you in a guild and then by the end of the week be kicked out or you leave because you don't get your way. If you want in a good guild you should try and work on these things. Maybe you have changed but thats how you use to be and thats how I still see you... I dunno why i'm sayin this just thought I would...
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Post by: Artorius on April 6, 2005 09:53 pm CDT
I think -eViL- has changed a lil. Maybe i'm wrong.

oh and, wtf?
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Post by: Silvanoshei on April 7, 2005 12:51 pm CDT
You have just increased your skill in psychiatry!
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Post by: Artorius on April 7, 2005 02:19 pm CDT
lol?
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Post by: -eViL- on April 7, 2005 04:43 pm CDT
Spending a lot of time waiting to get groups for blackrock spire and wanting malarkey my way are two totally different things, but thanks for being a dick.

After 4 weeks of being 60, I have a frightalon, frinkle's skinner, and the blademaster leggings.  That is all I have gained.  I get maybe 1 blackrock run per week and I get maybe 1 item from the run if I am lucky.  I can follow lead without a problem, I don't have issues with wanting everything, I have issues with just wanting to get the forking items I need as a level 60 rogue to survive.  I am still wearing some armor with a level 48 requirement, outdated somewhat....

Rogue issue: Too many rogue alts get groups before rogue mains, which destroys the true populus of mains.

PS - Alliance failed to take down Azuregos today.  Started with around 50 alliance members, then about 20-25 horde showed up, turned into a 60 vs 50ish fight between alliance and horde, horde won (40 shamans, gg).
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Post by: Razore on April 7, 2005 07:09 pm CDT
Quote from: "-eViL-"
Spending a lot of time waiting to get groups for blackrock spire and wanting **** my way are two totally different things, but thanks for being a dick.

After 4 weeks of being 60, I have a frightalon, frinkle's skinner, and the blademaster leggings.  That is all I have gained.  I get maybe 1 blackrock run per week and I get maybe 1 item from the run if I am lucky.  I can follow lead without a problem, I don't have issues with wanting everything, I have issues with just wanting to get the f*** items I need as a level 60 rogue to survive.  I am still wearing some armor with a level 48 requirement, outdated somewhat....

Rogue issue: Too many rogue alts get groups before rogue mains, which destroys the true populus of mains.

PS - Alliance failed to take down Azuregos today.  Started with around 50 alliance members, then about 20-25 horde showed up, turned into a 60 vs 50ish fight between alliance and horde, horde won (40 shamans, gg).


When our server tried to take down Azuregos, I led the pvp-raid. 30-40 horde tried to stop us and out raid fended them off. The guild who beat azuregos didnt even thank us. Typical.

Ive only been to UBRS once, no rougue stuff dropped. But just wait for honor system. Next patch.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on April 8, 2005 01:35 pm CDT
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LIGHTNING BOLT!! LOLOLOL
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Post by: -eViL- on April 8, 2005 05:42 pm CDT
Shadowcraft Belt ><

Had a uBRS group, main tank was about to get his ass schooled because he had no clue how to pull or hold aggro... go figure.  I was group leader, and we had someone ninja a quest item from the blacksmith thing (rack on the back wall).  People were unsavory womaning nonstop so I finally told them to blame me, shut up, and focus on the room we were in (we were about 2 mobs from rend).  All in all, the run sucked, but it was a chance to experiment and get use to master loot (first time ever for me, slick setup).  So meh, I got the only piece of SC that dropped.
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Post by: Razore on April 8, 2005 06:47 pm CDT
Ive got the pants and the belt, I passed on shoulders and im gonna farm bracers soon.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on April 8, 2005 08:49 pm CDT
Last time we did UBRS it was amazing.. We had two rogues, that both didn't have the Shadowcraft Belt.. Just our luck two drop. Damn rogues!
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Post by: -eViL- on April 9, 2005 09:10 am CDT
We had 5 Bracers of Valor drop in the room 1 to the right of the beast.  And that run had already been preceeded by a Codex of Fortitude II.
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Post by: 12Stones on April 12, 2005 11:13 am CDT
Well..  uh..  i'm level 23 and I got an emberstone staff from VanCleef..  and uh..  yeah.
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Post by: Frantic on April 12, 2005 01:52 pm CDT
You play Alliance... hah. I cry for you  :(
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Post by: Kyrie on April 12, 2005 06:27 pm CDT
For the Horde among us, if you haven't run around wetlands beating up low levels with a fishing pole, NOW IS THE TIME TO START!

It's tons of fun sitting on the dock in their town, fishing. They try to come close, you spin around and beat them up! Very handy to have a druid with you to root them in place for a good gank style beating.
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Post by: Frantic on April 12, 2005 09:18 pm CDT
I prefer killing the newbies at the Duskwood crossroad. Such a unsavory woman to walk there from the grave, especially the second time I kill them. I'm actually there as I post this.

But my favorite place is definately Stranglethorn.
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Post by: Razore on April 12, 2005 11:01 pm CDT
Woo. One day = 5/8 pieces of SC. Tombstone, Dal'rend. I was lucky today. Also got a UBRS key. Woo.

hey you horde players, where is the most populated leveling spot for horde? Its so damn hard for me to find horde to fight in my server...
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Post by: Kyrie on April 13, 2005 12:18 am CDT
STV is a good place to gank. Stealth in to GromGul base camp and gank the zep tower. Draws lots of hordes quickly to kill you.
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Post by: Frantic on April 13, 2005 05:56 am CDT
Maybe it's because Alliance outnumber Horde 3:1 on some servers  :roll:
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Post by: Kyrie on April 13, 2005 09:15 am CDT
My server is supposedly the exact opposite. Suprising, really, but when you consider most 'hard core' players prefer PvP realms and the Horde side has had a reputation of being more mature than Alliance, perhaps not so surprising.
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Post by: -eViL- on April 13, 2005 11:30 am CDT
Alliance is about 2:1 on all the PvP realms, and the Horde still wins at PvP.  Alliance players are mostly about 12 years of age and have no experience at anything, usually have 56k and a 2nd rate system for gaming :).

If I rerolled again, it would be on a different PvP server as a Tauren Warrior (Health Boost).
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Post by: Frantic on April 13, 2005 01:47 pm CDT
12 year olds (Razore) are attracted to the Night Elf race (Razore) because it's the uber leet Legolas race (Razore) that can do flips.
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Post by: Razore on April 13, 2005 07:51 pm CDT
Quote from: "Frantic"
12 year olds (Razore) are attracted to the Night Elf race (Razore) because it's the uber leet Legolas race (Razore) that can do flips.



Actually..I always played NE on Warcraft III, so I wanted to see what it was like. I preferred Teldrassil than the abbey or dun morogh. I dont even like LOTR. Flips are stupid. I rarely jump at all. And im not 12.


Also on our server, Alliance-horde is 3:1. Honor system is gonna be screwed when it comes out. So little horde, and when the horde do come out they come with friends.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on April 13, 2005 08:41 pm CDT
He meant 10. Sorry.
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Post by: 12Stones on April 14, 2005 07:04 pm CDT
I can't find enough time to play between work and school..  I need the ability to create extra days in the week with slower time so I can play more often.
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Post by: Type-S on April 19, 2005 12:04 am CDT
Quote from: "Razore"
Quote from: "Frantic"
12 year olds (Razore) are attracted to the Night Elf race (Razore) because it's the uber leet Legolas race (Razore) that can do flips.


Actually..I always played NE on Warcraft III, so I wanted to see what it was like. I preferred Teldrassil than the abbey or dun morogh. I dont even like LOTR. Flips are stupid. I rarely jump at all. And im not 12.



Teldrassil is probably the worst starting spot ever created I would much rather start out in Dun Morogh or Elwynn Forest.
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Post by: Razore on April 19, 2005 11:28 am CDT
Quote from: "Type-S"
Quote from: "Razore"
Quote from: "Frantic"
12 year olds (Razore) are attracted to the Night Elf race (Razore) because it's the uber leet Legolas race (Razore) that can do flips.


Actually..I always played NE on Warcraft III, so I wanted to see what it was like. I preferred Teldrassil than the abbey or dun morogh. I dont even like LOTR. Flips are stupid. I rarely jump at all. And im not 12.


Teldrassil is probably the worst starting spot ever created I would much rather start out in Dun Morogh or Elwynn Forest.


I like the NE starting town also, because I know the quests like the back of my hand =\ 1-12 in an hour!
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Post by: Silvanoshei on April 19, 2005 08:24 pm CDT
I'd just like to interject; Razore, "I'm not 12" is a pretty inadequate rebuttal when you're thirteen. Or fourteen. Or fifteen. Or eleven.
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Post by: Kyrie on April 19, 2005 09:28 pm CDT
PvP Honor System went live today. Talk about lag!
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Post by: Triton- on April 19, 2005 09:57 pm CDT
Yea no malarkey, can't do anything hardly got on my 29 troll rog on Sargeras and xroads was owned by all 60's. Then got on my bros 50 rog and went to hillsbrad, about 100vs100 I got 79 HK's in about 30 mins, super lag.
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on April 20, 2005 01:12 pm CDT
Heh yeah, World of Lagcraft..  :lol:

Anyway, I played for a good 30 minutes as well on my Shaman. Got 67 HK's, considering I'm not as fast of a killer as a rogue or mage, I say that's a pretty decent amount. It was a good 20vs20(XRoads, there were also battles at Org, TM, Astrannar, etc etc), we had 3 fair fights, but then they "countered" us with that fake decoy army and came with at least a good 40 alliance on the N side. (We were at the E side at the time)
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Post by: Kyrie on April 20, 2005 01:37 pm CDT
We had an awesome battle up in Winterspring. Probably 50 Alliance on 30 Horde and the Alliance were getting forced backwords. I took particular pleasure in sneaking behind their forces and slaughtering people trying to heal.
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Post by: -eViL- on April 20, 2005 03:56 pm CDT
Yea, on Arthas, a fight broke out and it was about 40 alliance vs 30 horde.  the horde were walking backwards just trying to keep their line together.  Rogues kept sneaking behind trying to take out our healers, needless to say, they found people like me waiting for them to pop out of stealth. :)  GG.
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Post by: Frantic on May 1, 2005 01:16 pm CDT
I hit 60 the other day and got my Purple Skeletal Warhorse.

(http://http://img211.echo.cx/img211/4206/larry4mo.jpg)

A friend and I decided to take a vacation in Stormwind. We stealthed in and looked around for a bit.

(http://http://img152.echo.cx/img152/2842/katrana8dk.jpg)

Then we mounted up and rode around Stormwind for a while. We even found a flagged 45ish druid to kill in his own town.

(http://http://img225.echo.cx/img225/7305/deaddruid8mk.jpg)

These are for Ozzy:

(http://http://img224.echo.cx/img224/5817/cynosure2wv.jpg)

(http://http://img218.echo.cx/img218/421/cynosure13bo.jpg)

(http://http://img225.echo.cx/img225/6822/cynosure31cq.jpg)