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Title: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: B2 on December 5, 2010 09:31 pm CST
the RL0 was B0LD trying to make another character. But Dragonazz and Jailhouse wouldn't let him. Why? I don't know. The only thing I heard was that jailhouse was mad about B0LD bashing him once. After jailhouse bashed him 3 or more times off the spike B0LD got his revenge and it must have pissed him off. IDK
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: B2 on December 5, 2010 09:59 pm CST
If there ain't a rule to killing an RL0, there should be, even if they are away from the keyboard. If that a ain't rule, then it should be! Jailhouse and Bungle should be punished! The only thing JailHouSe has done since he came back to the server, has been nothing but cause trouble! The both of them have been bashing all of us B's for the past 3 days, non stop! Ask anybody! I'm sure that Master, TehPope, Grim, and MPully would agree.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: Riddle on December 5, 2010 10:49 pm CST
Any person who decides to go AFK leaves themselves open for anything. Even if you are an RL 0 you leave yourself open to anything. That's how it works and thats how its been for a long time. Don't go changing it, it keeps things more interesting as it gives people more of a reason to not AFK.
I have yet to see Jailhouse do anything that causes trouble. Master is barely on, instead you go on his character from what I know. You even pretend to be him.

Now then... Off to your SS.
I noticed quite a few things from looking at them.

I zoomed in a bit right here.
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/sky123_2006/Aga.jpg)

It shows that he was clearly afk as there is a long delay of bot spawns. It also shows that he was afk from one saving point to the next. So what ever the delay is between SaveWorld's, thats how long you were afk.


(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/sky123_2006/Aga2.jpg)

Whats wrong with this? Looks like he must have shoved you to death. But... Oh? What's this? You must have been AFK A LONG TIME... considering you had to scroll up just to take this SS and you even missed a few SaveWorlds.

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/sky123_2006/Riddle.jpg)

This one made me laugh a bit. We ALL know that Bungle uses Riddle_ and Astal, but what made me laugh is that he asked you in zone if you were afk, and you chose to #tell riddle_? If you know that he is on Astal, why would you #tell riddle_? He must of given you a fair amount of time to respond since you had enough time to type #tell riddle_, NO!
You could of easily moved out of the way or you could of just pressed "y" and said "NO". Hell, you don't even need a no. You basically need any sign that shows your not AFK.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: JaiLHouSe on December 5, 2010 10:58 pm CST
i dont have the time right now, but ill upload the pics of my asking if you were afk before i shoved and bashed you. I think its kind of humerous how you leave that out of the SS's.

EDIT: Pretending to be afk is the same as being afk, which has been discussed several times before. Furthermore, logging on an RL0 and pretending to be afk because you know someone wants to kill you.... and then posting it to try to get them in trouble is even worse. Dont expect for this to go unpunished.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: Riddle on December 5, 2010 11:20 pm CST
I agree with Jailhouse, going through all this trouble just to get people in trouble is VERY low. I'm honestly beginning to think that there should be a rule allowing you to kill an rl 0 if they have another character over RL 0.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: bungle on December 5, 2010 11:21 pm CST
I took a screen shot of this incident, but since I was in widescreen(full screen) and it didn't come out.(For some reason, I have to be in windowed for them to come out right... like tribes doesn't like widescreen) Luckily, I haven't logged off the character, so I just scrolled up and found it in console. Here ya go:
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/bungle0/sshot0141.jpg)
You can clearly see me asking him if he's AFK in global as I was transporting to the mines, this would've been enough time to respond in global but no response. I make my way into the mines when I ask again in global, again no response.

(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/bungle0/sshot0140.jpg)
Ignore the first AFK check in this SS, that's just a repeat from the previous SS. The THIRD AFK check was in zone as I was standing right next to him and no response here as well. He stood there and made no movements or effort to respond to my AFK check.
Also, this whole time, Riddle was technically AFK. You don't respond to an AFK check to someone who's AFK...
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: Riddle on December 5, 2010 11:25 pm CST
LMFAO. Now its hilarious, I don't think Particle will even bother with this. Most likely just get a good laugh and move on with his life.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: B2 on December 5, 2010 11:42 pm CST
Bungle! I thought you said you can't take screen shots of the console. You lied there just like you lie all the time. And it's to bad that I can't prove that I was running around when you two bashed me. I wish I could have made a short recording.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: B2 on December 5, 2010 11:51 pm CST
I guess that I should post on youtube next time and as for riddle_, that was nice that you drew lines on them ss's. that proves that you used something like paint shop pro to do that and who says you don't alter all of your ss's.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: Riddle on December 5, 2010 11:59 pm CST
He lies all the time? Clearly both you and B0LD are lieing to try to get both jailhouse and bungle into trouble. Which seems to have backfired. So what if he has SS through his console, the evidence it provides is all that is needed.

LOL drew lines? shoot i dont bother with any of that stuff. I used paint and added lines. Trying to accuse me of something as well? You shouldn't accuse without concrete evidence as it just makes you seem stupider. Considering just now both you and B0LD have been proven complete idiots.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: B2 on December 6, 2010 12:04 am CST
Well my recording will do the job next time. Also! that's real nice that you have the nerve to accuse me of lying* knowing that I have Caboose's and Master's passwords and yet they can trust all of us B's with them. Oh yea! if I wanted to get Jailhouse and Bungle2 in trouble then why didn't I post the ss's of jailhouse mimic bashing me? huh? Do you guys think that you run the show? Now that you have lied to Particle so much, he believes everything you say?
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: Riddle on December 6, 2010 12:08 am CST
Trust you guys with them? I'm surprised they somehow do trust you considering all the stuff you have done with it so far. Power ranking it and then causing him to lose all his RP. Then abusing him and claiming yourself the strongest in the server. Then bashing others and mugging with his character. It was just last week when you began to brag saying "Don't mess with me. I have Caboose who is RL 2245 and is lvl 145" and then what did you do shortly after? Log him on to prove yourself and then attack Astal.

Run what show? We are simply proving you wrong on what you guys are claiming.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: B2 on December 6, 2010 12:15 am CST
So what if I bring Caboose in? What about bungle using Astals toon? and JailHouSe using Arfs toon? And obviously they don't trust you guys with them. Why? I think we all know the answer to that.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: Riddle on December 6, 2010 12:19 am CST
Funny considering we had to ask Astal for his character due to your abuse with Caboose. Soon as you hear the "We are going to have to talk to Koro about this" you drop the character and ask us not to. Its pretty sad, thats why lately you've been resorting to using B0LD's character.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: bungle on December 6, 2010 12:20 am CST
Bungle! I thought you said you can't take screen shots of the console. You lied there just like you lie all the time. And it's to bad that I can't prove that I was running around when you two bashed me. I wish I could have made a short recording.
Sorry if you feel I lied to you. See, what happened was, I had to use Windows Print Screen to get the screenshots(Push Print Screen on your desktop then PASTE into Paint.) Then while I was doing this I noticed there was a line that said screenShot(MainWindow); and I thought, "Hey! Why don't I give this a try?" So I did, and what do you know, it put a screenshot in my temp folder. I just found this out today while I was getting these screenshots. Again, sorry if you feel I lied to you, but I really thought you couldn't get SS's in console(through Tribes. :D )
But don't change the point. You obviously were just there to try and get me in trouble. You said it yourself actually. You were AFK and were not moving, so don't lie and say you were moving. I'm not dumb enough to shove kill someone who isn't AFK.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: B2 on December 6, 2010 12:29 am CST
"I'm not dumb enough to shove kill someone who isn't AFK". That's what you think. And who cares about me saying that I was out to get you? so? somebody needs to get you for all the times you lied to Particle. Oh yea! thanks for the new way to ss your console % screenShot(MainWindow); I may need that some day. And BTW why didn't you include any of your vulgar in this post like you usually do in the game?
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: bungle on December 6, 2010 12:30 am CST
You obviously were just there to try and get me in trouble. You said it yourself actually.
Here is the SS of that:
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/bungle0/sshot0142.jpg)
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: bungle on December 6, 2010 12:34 am CST
"I'm not dumb enough to shove kill someone who isn't AFK". That's what you think. And who cares about me saying that I was out to get you? so? somebody needs to get you for all the times you lied to Particle. Oh yea! thanks for the new way to ss your console % screenShot(MainWindow); I may need that some day. And BTW why didn't you include any of your vulgar in this post like you usually do in the game?
I don't talk to Particle about what goes on in the server... so what are you talking about lying to Particle? sigh. kids...
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: B2 on December 6, 2010 12:35 am CST
Like I said. so what if I'm out to get you? you deserve it. especially after you use an admin's character to get even with us.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: bungle on December 6, 2010 12:36 am CST
Like I said. so what if I'm out to get you? you deserve it. especially after you use an admin's character to get even with us.
Astal is not an admin.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: B2 on December 6, 2010 12:37 am CST
that's sad enough. just because your crappy toon "DragonAzz" is lower in remorts
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: Riddle on December 6, 2010 12:37 am CST
Bungle isn't dumb enough to do that. Trust me by that, he always abides by the rules even if he is killing someone. Check the Doghouse for any recent posts on Dragonazz. I'm almost 100% sure that you won't find anything on him, and if by somechance you do, then I bet its from the OLD Dragonazz before he quit.

I have a similar question to you B2. How come you didnt post those SS of him repeatedly asking whether you were afk or not? you seemed to have cut that off of your SS just to frame him. Either way, its not like you don't use vulgar language. Both you and B0LD love to cuss! Hell, you even put it on your voicepacks. There hasnt been a time when I log on and you don't cuss.

What admin's character is he using exactly? Would it even matter? As long as the stats on the character are LEGIT and as long as hes not using the admin, does it matter? It would be the same as how much you seem to love using Caboose.

And how about your crappy toon "B2" low in remorts so you resort to Caboose and B0LD.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: B2 on December 6, 2010 12:51 am CST
"It would be the same as how much you seem to love using Caboose". So now you can stfu about me using Caboose. and as for the voicepacks, they are made that way, can I change that? no! And BTW B0LD is my brother and I gave him all my savings to get that high in levels, He said I can use his toon anytime I want. and bungle killed all of us b's when we were RL 0. here are the ss's. Happy?
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: B2 on December 6, 2010 12:55 am CST
that still don't change the fact that I was running around the mines and they both knew it
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: Riddle on December 6, 2010 12:59 am CST
I wouldn't be saying it if you wouldn't be using him like that. I don't understand why Koro has yet to intervene with how you use his character.
Made that way, or you and your brothers made it that way? Theres a difference in that.
Aha! Bungle spent all his savings on getting astal to where he is now. So if what your saying is correct, then he "can use his toon anytime" he wants, right?
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: B2 on December 6, 2010 01:07 am CST
Exactly! so why do you CRUCIFY me for using B0LD or Caboose seeing that I leveled Koro plenty and B0LD is my brother?
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: B2 on December 6, 2010 01:08 am CST
Made that way, or you and your brothers made it that way?

WTF does that mean?
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: bungle on December 6, 2010 01:19 am CST
KoRo changed the password to Caboose because of B2. I lol'ed.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: B2 on December 6, 2010 02:15 am CST
No he did not change it because of me! he changed it because of your typical self. DAMN LIAR!!!!!
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: EVIL_INC on December 6, 2010 06:41 am CST
B2, you know internet bullies band together against the weak so they will lie and cover for one another. Anytime you see someone on server ask if you are afk, log off and back on in demo. Guys like this usually have you muted so they can provide ss of you not answering and say you were afk or faking it. This way, you can provide proof that you answered or that they did not give you enough time to type in an answer. They been kill rl0 for years. Not going to change now. Best to just move on and eventually, they may find other victims.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: Riddle on December 6, 2010 08:25 am CST
Exactly! so why do you CRUCIFY me for using B0LD or Caboose seeing that I leveled Koro plenty and B0LD is my brother?

You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Try rereading this until you can understand it.

"Aha! Bungle spent all his savings on getting astal to where he is now. So if what your saying is correct, then he "can use his toon anytime" he wants, right?"

Evil, you haven't been on the server lately so you don't understand what is going on. Its basically B2 and B0LD starting things. They get bored and choose to come do something to us. Then when we get them back for it, they whine and nag. They did something similar last week and then B2 came after me when I had remorted. Seemed he targeted me a bit before my remort and then came after me.
You can't claim that they muted B0LD before killing him, he must of seen it if he managed to #tell riddle_ "NO!" and you would think it'd me common sense to run away, don't you think? All this is just a big scene they are making at a sad attempt to get Jailhouse and Bungle into trouble.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: JaiLHouSe on December 6, 2010 09:12 am CST
Everyone take a look at the last SS B2 posted.... if i had him muted then wouldnt it still show a response on HIS ss when i asked him 4 times if he was afk? There was no response, he was sitting in the mines behind the wooden post afk swinging at the gnolls.... this is so funny to me. lol
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: JaiLHouSe on December 6, 2010 09:49 am CST
id also like to point out, if you had been running around mines, then your SS wouldnt show repeated attacks from you and the bot  because they dont follow you around the entire mines and you wouldnt have been hitting them and missing them over and over if you were running away from me. Nice try though..
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: B2 on December 6, 2010 01:06 pm CST
"All this is just a big scene they are making at a sad attempt to get Jailhouse and Bungle into trouble". LMAO riddle_ we don't want to get anybody in trouble, that's what you guys think but this is the last resort in making them stop harassing us, jailhouse as a pk, he has helped a lot with it, Even if he did have his bad days with it, he still deserves to keep it!                                                                                   

"Aha! Bungle spent all his savings on getting astal to where he is now. So if what your saying is correct, then he "can use his toon anytime" he wants, right?"  YO! dipstick I already answered this question, so why repeat yourself? 

And for the ss, yea you are right, the bots don't run around the mines, but you know damn well that I was moving around side to side, front to back, and yet you still bashed me. Just like EVIL_INC has said many times, they have been killing rl 0 ever since I can remember. I'm not including Jailhouse in that either, this is the first time I have ever seen this. Maybe if we leave the server then it will go dry again like it was before and then we can just waltz in and take back what we deserve. I mean we are the ones that kept Master Coming back for more and we are the ones that gave TehPope  all of the weapons he needed plus 700k in robes that B0LD gave him and we all gave him coins, Oh yea MPully is another one that we kept around because of our generosity, Unlike any of you guys that don't want to help make the server prosper and over flow in players. Not including EVIL_INC because if it wasn't for him or KoRo we wouldn't be here. JailHouse knows how this all started and it ain't gonna end until he either leaves or gives B0LD the bash  that he owes him. You, jailhouse started it and yet you gather your lil team of haters and try to point the finger at us. you know that you bashed B0LD off the spike three time for no reason, Why couldn't you just shove him back into place like he has done for all the players up there?
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: bungle on December 6, 2010 01:39 pm CST
I'm not sure who you're talking about, but I don't kill RL 0's. This was a small exception since it was B0LD hiding in a noob character so it doesn't count. :]
I, also, help noobs just as much as you do but this discussion has gone way off-topic....
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: TehPope on December 6, 2010 05:10 pm CST
pope no reason to post it and get soft about it its a game ! Besides I've dealt with Shorty way many more times then you have EVIL_INC, mugged me a few times did i post it on the forums? Heck no for you doing that now he's gonna come on and do it more often and mug you! But wont kill you. And for the record EVIL_INC, don't lie like you guys put it out there! EVIL_INC is an honest person and when i do quit PCRPG I'd be more likely to give my character to EVIL_INC.

Jus sayin!
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: TehPope on December 6, 2010 05:40 pm CST
Where as I think the random going around and bashing each other is just gunna make this situation NEVER END... I dont see anything wrong (going by the current server rules)

If anything.. as a suggestion of a former GM to your staff, if there isnt one already perhaps you should insert a slander rule into your rule book. Make sure your detailed because everyone can use Printscreen.

I dont see the point in trying to get each other in trouble.. its clearly not going to work.. and if you TRULY think these guys are so evil.. how does lying and creating false positives make the situation any better?

Im new to the server.. but im not new to tribes, gaming, or Moderating.. and tho ive seen things I wouldnt do.. ive never seen things against the current rule base.

Speaking of "CRUCIFY" .. B2 you crucified me for making my post.. but how is this one any different? Actually ill tell you.. how its different.. this post is exactly what mine was not.. and a complaining post about people not breaking the rules but causing harm to you. Does it suck? Yes! Is it against the rules? No.. are they lying? No.. They asked if you were AFK.. I was on.. and you did not respond at all.. If you WERE there but #telling someone else.. how hard is it to hit backspace and spam t enter t enter t enter ... The fact that no rules were broken and your crying conspiracy is why they are saying its like your trying to get them in trouble.. because its what it looks like..

Now you can get mad at me all you want.. but thats my opinion I have nothing really against any of you tho I think this whole little war is pointless.. but thats just me. Happy bashing
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: EVIL_INC on December 6, 2010 05:43 pm CST
Jail, you guys have ridden the Bs nonstop since they joined the server. True, not as badly as Shorty. He can be a royal pain if you get on HIS bad side as he will be the FIRST to tell you lol. It is also true that they have whined a lot because of it. They have not learned that trying to talk and make it right or "whining" does not work. I went through the same treatment when it was you guys doing it to me and I tried to make it right. Even now, I point out facts and items (even stuck up for you on some issues where I felt you were in the right). Not saying that you muted him, Just saying that it is a possibility. That logging off and coming back on in demo or at least getting ss of him replying is a good idea in order to overcome that possibility just in case (whether it is you or celtic or even me).
I can see the Bs trying to get a little "payback" by bashing you while afk off the spike. You hafta admit that after months of getting bashed, mugged, killed, it would be tempting to try to get at least a FEW licks in. I would expect you of all people to give kudos on the "ballsiness" of it and see about making amends or at least working out a "peace treaty". Maybe even set something up like a bashfest competition with them in an organized type of war with rules. Just a few ideas off the top of my head that I personally would be comfortable with.
Bungle, a rl0 character is a rl0 character regardless of "who is playing it" and falls under the same rl0 protection rules. This means killing one off just because you know who it is is not legal. Only if they are afk or faking afk.
Be carefull of using ss though. They tell only an instant of time and even then can be misleading because it only shows what is on the screen and does not cover what came before or after or even the time frame of what is in the chat box. Demo is better because it shows the whole story. A ss can tell any story you want it to (including 2 entirely contradictory ones) and can be very misleading. We have seen that in other threads here and some COULD say of the ones you posted here.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: JaiLHouSe on December 6, 2010 05:56 pm CST
I agree with you on some of that, evil_inc... but like i pointed out the SS b2 took shows me asking if he was afk 4 times... no response, and then his death. So in fact, me muting him is not a possibility...Because it shows no response on his own screen.

The B's and i have made "peace" several times before. How many times have we heard the statement "Youre gonna see a whole new B2 from now on"  And yet it seems once they start spending more time talking to you, they begin to slander the admins, pk's and the server founder himself. The "peace" period never lasts more than a couple months before they decide they wanna be all big and bad again. Then suddenly im the one in the wrong for fighting back when they start playing stupid games.

I Agree with TehPope on the "slander" rule. This has been loosely enforced in the past, If Bonzai or HUBBA were still active players on this server, all of you would be kicked repeatedly if not BANNED for your actions of late. Maybe we should start enforcing that rule again.

Im not asking or expecting for some long drawn out apology. I dont want anyone kneeling before me and kissing my feet, i just want these children to grow up and stop whining and running for help when someone actually takes them up on a challenge. The B's need to learn that there is a time to stfu, before what they are saying just gets them into more trouble. This whole thread is only going to show how far they are willing to go to try to falsely accuse someone of breaking a rule. B2 said it himself in one of the SS's, feel free to go back a couple pages and take a gander yourself.  I Quote: "Im sure i can annoy you enough to kill an rl0"   I was not on the server to see this, but i happened to see it when examining the recent SS's.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: TehPope on December 6, 2010 06:00 pm CST
I actually enjoyed B2 when he was saying there was gunna be a whole new b2! thats the one i first met!
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: EVIL_INC on December 6, 2010 06:05 pm CST
I also agree with tehpope on the slander rule. I have been the victim of it a lot lately. You get used to it. A thick skin helps.
They do need to learn to just accept what comes at them. Talking back when your abused over the course of months does not help and only serves to make things worse. I have advised them of that many times.

*Edited to add in a clarification.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: JaiLHouSe on December 6, 2010 06:06 pm CST
except there has been no abuse to them
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: TehPope on December 6, 2010 06:13 pm CST
There would also be a clause in the slander rule to cover people who try to cry wolf and and abuse it....Not to mention the accusations against you can be proved true im sure.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: EVIL_INC on December 6, 2010 06:22 pm CST
Thats why I recommend demo instead of ss. A demo will show the whole story instead of just an edited snippet that can be taken out of context. By definition, a ss is only an instant of time while a demo will show the continuous playing "story".
On the slander, I have recently had to prove a slanderous accusation made against me to be a lie (a perfect example of why a demo is better because of the fallibility of ss) A ss can be made to say or show anything you want it to (including 2 entirely opposite stories).
Your best bet Bs is to work things out. And then as Jailhouse said, you need to follow through on your part.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: Arf on December 6, 2010 06:34 pm CST
HOLY malarkeyE THIS WENT ON FOR 3 PAGES?  OMG WTF? FTW? WTG?

drama drama drama

Evil?  Why did you steal my pic?

Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: EVIL_INC on December 6, 2010 06:37 pm CST
Give it time, might go on for a few more pages. LOL
Many of my family are veterans so I felt that it would not hurt to honor them. Unfortunately, I was PDQed so was unable to enlist. Feel free to use it yourself if you like it.
Title: Re: SS's of aga and Astal killing an RL0
Post by: Arf on December 6, 2010 06:39 pm CST
I already have the pic,  been using it for years but stopped when you started.  

As you can see i dont have a pic now