Post by: Particle on September 12, 2003 08:07 pm CDT
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Greek Mythology [eViL's Question]
well, as the chain of life goes with the titans and the olympians... Uranus + Cronus produced Zeus. Zeus had enough strength to overthrow his father's rule as well as banish the rest of the titans to a place beyond the underworld. well, if that is so, then why is it that when 2 olympians have children, the children aren't stronger than the olympians. because cleary when two titans had children, the children had more power than them in order to be able to banish them to a life worse than hell for all eternity.
so what is the entire theory and knowledge base of people in the forums on this matter?
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We were talking about it on AIM, which explains some of it further so I thought I'd post that:
uVe BeeN CrAcKeD: its actually an interesting thing to think about
uVe BeeN CrAcKeD: because in the order of events and history, it means that the offspring of zeus and his wives had more powers and strength than the olympians did
ORB Tbird761: I'll probably have to wait a few mins to receive it
uVe BeeN CrAcKeD: because 2 titans, Uranus + Cronus
uVe BeeN CrAcKeD: produced zeus
uVe BeeN CrAcKeD: and zeus had enough power in him to banish all the titans to the neverworld of whatever you want to call it (which is farther down that the underworld)
uVe BeeN CrAcKeD: so if zeus had that much power, his offsping had to have even more power than him
uVe BeeN CrAcKeD: kinda boggles the mind and throws an interesting twist at the entire greek mythology stuff
ORB Tbird761: It was believed that offspring had more power than their parents then, right?
ORB Tbird761: Always?
uVe BeeN CrAcKeD: yes
ORB Tbird761: ahh, there it is (email)
uVe BeeN CrAcKeD: which in turn means that all the offspring of zeus had more power than zeus
Post by: EVIL_INC on September 12, 2003 09:30 pm CDT
Post by: Particle on September 12, 2003 09:42 pm CDT
Post by: Jason_Xero on September 12, 2003 09:56 pm CDT
Please list all your Ph.Ds here accordingly so we know just how smart you are, and how often we need to pray for you just so you can make your godly presence.
Post by: EVIL_INC on September 13, 2003 09:05 am CDT
I am also not a "political analyst" I was merely able to read rules and follow them.
As for having a doctorate on mythology, I also have never claimed such. I DO have a B.A. degree hanging on my wall that says that I at least have a passing knowledge of history, mythology and the teaching of it.
It is sad that you guys hate me to such a degree that if I were to tell you that 1 + 1 = 2 you would call me a lyer. (yes I admit my grammer sucks.)
I am not and never have claimed to be "smart" (although there ARE others here who do make those claims).
I had actually understood this to be a gaming community where people were supposed to get along. I understand that not everyone gets along all the time but why randomly pick out one unobtrusive,undeserving member and make them the "scapegoat" to blame the worlds ills on and take out everyones frustrations on?
Post by: Crash on September 13, 2003 09:12 am CDT
See how stupid that is? If you are telling us that he is flawed, then tell us how, and why. Just telling someone they are wrong but not providing a reason why, is stupid.
Post by: EVIL_INC on September 13, 2003 09:25 am CDT
Quote from: "Crash"
You're wrong.
See how stupid that is? If you are telling us that he is flawed, then tell us how, and why. Just telling someone they are wrong but not providing a reason why, is stupid.
Ok, I was hoping that I could encourage you to read the mythology for yourself to find the scoop. Until you do, you will never know the full truth having always just taken the word of others.
Zues was not nessessarily "more powerfull". He used trickery to succeed. "Brute power" was not the #1 facter.
Secondly, the children of the gods were not nessessarily "more powerfull" than the gods themselves. To use an example, look at Heracles. He was physically stronger but not more "powerfull" and he was the most powerfull of the gods children.
The Greeks, unlike us, modeled thier gods on real people and thier foibles. Thus they had personalities that matched real people and had the relating weaknesses. Being more powerfull is a matter of interpretation. Which aspect of power are you speaking of.
To use the zues/entropy example, yes, zues was more powerfull in the cunning aspect but not in others. Think of human beings. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses.
Post by: Crash on September 13, 2003 09:53 am CDT
Cronos married his sister and became King of the Titans. They had five children but Cronos had been warned that one of them would kill him; so, he swallowed each one as it was born. To save her sixth child, Rhea tricked Cronos into swallowing a stone wrapped in baby's clothing and hid the child among some lesser nature goddesses called nymphs who brought him up safely. This child was Zeus. When he grew up, Zeus returned home in disguise and slipped a potion into Cronos' drink, making him choke. The children he had swallowed were coughed out, whole and safe. They were his daughters Hestia, Demeter, and Hera, and sons Pluto and Poseidon.A fierce battle then took place. Zeus freed the Cyclops who made thunderbolts for him to hurl. They also made a forked trident for Poseidon, and a helmet that made its wearer invisible for Pluto. But, most of the Titans and giants sided with Cronos. After a terrible struggle the younger gods were victorious. The Titans were banished: one of them, Atlas, was made to hold up the heavens as punishment.
Post by: Silvanoshei on September 13, 2003 09:55 am CDT
Anyway, there's very little evidence in there that supports the Child > Parents theory.
Post by: EVIL_INC on September 13, 2003 10:03 am CDT
)Crash the passage quoted says nothing about a one on one single battle between zuess and his father that was unnaffected by any other outside force. As a matter of fact, they fought with outside help (thier "magical" weapons were made by the cyclops).
In a battle situation cunning has as much to do with victory as pure brute strength.
So, since they idea of the children always being right and more powerfull in all situations has been put to rest, I will state that there does come times when children are more powerfull than the parents.
In the younger years the parents are more powerfull than the children due to the childrens youth. Then they even out as both are adults and then in old age, the roles are reversed.
Post by: xkenshinx on September 13, 2003 10:04 am CDT
errrrrr Hercules shouldn't be mentioned in this at all... since hes not the result of 2 gods .... twas zues cheating with a human
my theory is very simple... the reason why the children of the gods/titans are stronger is based on fears devolped by rulers of state or kingdom.. or hell ... any male realy.. think about how often a prince would kill his father simply so he could attain power... alot of mythology is based on the current sociological factors.... obviously greek/roman mythology was written by men... because it is always the mother and the son who overthrow the king/leader/god/titan in the stories..... (which comes back to psychological factors like ... all guys want to sleep with their mothers and malarkey) you can even see it in the animal kingdom.. meaning how much a father will despise his off spring out of fear....
ex. cronos overthrew his father.. (uranus with gaia's help)... same with zues ... his mother .... or some type of female helped him by tricking his father (been awhile since i read anything on greek myth)
its also interesting that almost all mythology has tons of incest in it 0_o..... i suppose its the easiest way to explain things
sorry for the grammar.. or lack of..
Post by: Particle on September 13, 2003 10:05 am CDT
That and the fact that you seem to have written the book on every subject past and present.
Post by: EVIL_INC on September 13, 2003 10:07 am CDT
I might have been wrong to use Heracles as an example but I though it at least sort of relevant since he was so powerfull.
Post by: Particle on September 13, 2003 10:17 am CDT
Post by: EVIL_INC on September 13, 2003 10:19 am CDT
Quote from: "Particle"
It's your delivery. You sound like a complete asshole with the "I'm smarter than you so shut the fragglewert up and eat your pudding" attitude when you correct people.
That and the fact that you seem to have written the book on every subject past and present.
If that is at me I am confused.
I am not the one who tells everyone they are stupid and to shut up. Quite often I am wrong and am humble enough to admit it and learn. It is a prejudice against me that colors anything I say to be "ass-holish" rather than anything I actually say.
I also do not and never have claimed to be an expert in EVERYTHING. I do have a passing knowledge of history (some areas" mythology (some areas) weapons (hand weapons not firearms), factory life and the proccesses therin, sociology (some areas)
Beyond that, I might or might not know what is going on and am willing to learn.
There are other areas in which I am totally clueless such as computers and fashion. You might notice that if a topic comes up which I know nothiong about, I simply stay out of it in order to let the experts talk. That is why when I post you see it as some sort of know it all thing. I only post on what I do know about (hense my low post count and rarely posting.)
Post by: Crash on September 13, 2003 11:27 am CDT
Post by: Particle on September 13, 2003 12:11 pm CDT
Post by: Silvanoshei on September 13, 2003 12:38 pm CDT
Post by: xkenshinx on September 13, 2003 01:33 pm CDT
Post by: Silvanoshei on September 13, 2003 03:37 pm CDT
Not anymore.
Post by: EVIL_INC on September 13, 2003 08:18 pm CDT
Post by: -RPG-secretagnt on September 14, 2003 10:19 am CDT
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p.s. Atlas was cool.
p.p.s Greek and Roman gods alike were inconsistent assholes.
p.p.p.s They need some video games with those greek/roman divine type theme things.. 0_o
Post by: Silvanoshei on September 14, 2003 10:32 am CDT
*shakes head*
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Post by: Silvanoshei on September 14, 2003 07:19 pm CDT
Post by: DaRkEcHoEs on September 14, 2003 08:51 pm CDT
Post by: EVIL_INC on September 14, 2003 10:39 pm CDT
On my earlier statements, I was basing them on my own research. (this is one of the few areas I am competant at as a school teacher specializing in this type of topic)
A question.... if zuess was SO much more powerfull than entropy, then why did he have to use trickery to make him spit up his siblings. If he was really more powerfull, he would have simply cut him open and released them. But others seem to have picked up on that already.
I was also basing it on what I learned last year when I spent 10 days roaming Greece. They teach thier mythology as actual history (as was evidenced by my uncle). I would assume that the Greeks would be experts on the matter.
Now, were you to talk about other subjects like coding the greek gods into pcrpg, I would be totally lost.
Post by: Hersh on September 15, 2003 03:34 am CDT
Its Mythology. Stories. Tales to explain nature and physics.
If you knew nothing about the Earth and the rotations of planets, then the most obvious thing would be for someone morepowerful(god-like) than you to be moving the sun across the sky.
Well ok, so now we have this collection of gods that control things in nature. We'll being the setinent beings they must be, they need lives and stories that describe who they are.
One day a long time ago, some Greek/Roman asked the famous question "how'd it all start?". So someone who believed in these poly theistic ideals told him a story.
Hehe, sorry got carried away there. :P
Hersh
Post by: Particle on September 15, 2003 06:57 am CDT
Post by: LastWish on September 15, 2003 07:16 am CDT
Post by: UnderGod on September 15, 2003 08:20 am CDT
Post by: EVIL_INC on September 15, 2003 09:12 am CDT
I never use quotes in my sigs because ...well just because.
Post by: -RPG-secretagnt on September 15, 2003 02:01 pm CDT
Quote from: "LastWish"
He also forgot the last quote mark--I hate that!
kekeke I concur.