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General => Common Topic Symposium => Topic started by: Particle on April 1, 2003 09:16 am CST

Title: Peace Keeper Elections! (Ends Friday, April 11)
Post by: Particle on April 1, 2003 09:16 am CST: Please vote on your favorite candidate. Drag people in from the server as well. The person with the highest amount of votes ISN'T necessarily going to win.
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Post by: UnderGod on April 1, 2003 11:45 am CST: What happened to Ozzy :)
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Post by: Silvanoshei on April 1, 2003 12:02 pm CST: Particle, are you checking usernames or IP's of the votes? Making fake accounts would be rather counter-productive...
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Post by: Sabby on April 1, 2003 12:10 pm CST: Bleah he makes final decision so it dun really matta
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Post by: Jason_Xero on April 1, 2003 02:07 pm CST: Oh, I am not on the list?

Cypher said he would vote me

Razore and Hawk as PK ? You must be kidding right?
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Post by: Sabby on April 1, 2003 02:18 pm CST: Quote from: "Jason_Xero"
Oh, I am not on the list?

Cypher said he would vote me :P
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Post by: Xanth on April 1, 2003 03:31 pm CST: Quote
UnderGod:
Xanth.. Xanth and me go way back.. I met him on I believe it was Slim's server.. Yeah.. I was a Paladin, and he was a Mage..

OMG you are and old FART too :)
Lost of paperwork and ect. (but back on track)... i used to play exclusivly mages back then. I dont know what happened to me I am playing a Druid now, I guess that is a Fighter/Mage right?

Good to see you posting and still making a mess UnderGod!

Peace!
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Post by: UnderGod on April 1, 2003 04:01 pm CST: Druids are nature lovers... THey get their magic abilities from nature.

A druid is a fun character to role play... They would slay anyone who hurt an animal, but they would not do a thing if a wolf were to kill a bunch of a farmer's chickens.
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Post by: eViL on April 1, 2003 04:31 pm CST: why am i even on the list? according to the general forum populus i am stupid and according the general server populus i am useless.
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 1, 2003 04:48 pm CST: Actually, I was nominated as well.
I will wait until this is fixed before casting my vote.
(although I am sure that my ommission has already caused people to vote for others when they would have voted for me had it been on there.)
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Post by: Knyght on April 1, 2003 04:49 pm CST: Quote from: "Jason_Xero"
Oh, I am not on the list?

Cypher said he would vote me

Razore and Hawk as PK ? You must be kidding right?

I was joking when I nominated hawk... you know the one that had the literacy of a pre-2nd grader?
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Post by: xkenshinx on April 1, 2003 05:22 pm CST: Quote from: "EVIL_INC"
Actually, I was nominated as well.
I will wait until this is fixed before casting my vote.
(although I am sure that my ommission has already caused people to vote for others when they would have voted for me had it been on there.)

lolz... and i thought nobody could get anymore pompous then ozzy,eViL, and dirk

:P
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Post by: Silvanoshei on April 1, 2003 05:29 pm CST: Is it just me, or are most of eViL's posts these days about how apparently everyone in the server hates him?

*coughguilttripcough*
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Post by: Crash on April 1, 2003 05:33 pm CST: I vote Xanth because I remember him from when I began, and because he is a cool guy. I played for a little bit on Slims server, but I left it for my days of Ren2k ownage. I came back and it was gone *crie*
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Post by: Particle on April 1, 2003 07:19 pm CST: I already started the vote. You'll just have to wait until next time--the results wouldn't be fair.

I removed hawk as it would seem his nomination was a joke. He had no votes, so no harm is done.

On a side note, I've made new account creation have to be ok'd by me for the time being. New accounts will be rejected if they cannot provide me with a username and password for a character on the server that's level 70 (RL0) or higher (as in a level 5 RL1 is higher) until the deadline date.
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 1, 2003 07:34 pm CST: Is the list of people going to be fixed since not all of those who were nominated are on it?
i was nominated for admin vote but I turned that down since at that point in time I would not have been able to fullfill the requirments time-wise. However, now that I am in a new spot of student teaching, I will be able to play much more often and will thus be able to fullfill the requirements. That is why I have not turned down my nomination for peacekeeper. But for some reason, I was still left off of the list.
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Post by: Silvanoshei on April 1, 2003 07:51 pm CST: No offense, but who nominated you? I don't remember you being nominated.
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 1, 2003 08:11 pm CST: http://www.pcrpg.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.p ... 3&start=30 (http://www.pcrpg.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=663&start=30)
I am assuming that I am the only one anyone calls INC.
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Post by: Dirk on April 1, 2003 08:24 pm CST: I think the fact that honey had one post and that no one really knows any "honey" in the server is the reason you weren't put into the voting...
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Post by: xkenshinx on April 1, 2003 08:29 pm CST: rofl.... thats just scary
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 1, 2003 08:51 pm CST: jill (honey) doesnt play much but she does have a valid character so has as much right to nominate someone and have her nomination accepted as anyone else.
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Post by: Jonah on April 1, 2003 09:08 pm CST: I'd have to say Xanth.

Razore.... LOL *laughys hysterically*
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Post by: Silvanoshei on April 1, 2003 09:12 pm CST: I'm sure he was only looking at active people's nominations... I've never seen a Jill or a Honey, and considering his only post on these boards consisted of three letters, it was probably disregarded, and no offense, but I agree with him doing that... Not against you, but that it was his only post and (almost) nobody knows who he is.
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 1, 2003 09:31 pm CST: Jill is not all that active on the forums, but she HAS an active character that she has had since last spring.
However, if you guys think that I would be THAT bad at it, it would be your perogotive to not vote for me, but totally disregarding her nomination is an insult to not only myself (im used to it by now) but her and every other member of the community because it is telling us that none of us are taken seriously exept for when it suits personal purposes. Since I am an outcast, anyone who would nominate or vote for an outcast is acceptable as a person. It's all about the politics of the place.
That might be WHY I am an outcast. I ignore the politics and automatically do what is best for the server as a whole rather than get embroiled in politics, pettyness and such things. I just help everyone I can in any way I can in order to keep the peace on the server without bothering to even think about ulterior motives or personal advancement.
No one trusts the incorruptable because they dont have any leverage on them.
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Post by: Razore on April 1, 2003 09:46 pm CST: ????? Who nominated me???? id just like to know..........
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Post by: Jonah on April 1, 2003 10:09 pm CST: Nobody... You nominated yourself

loser
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 1, 2003 10:22 pm CST: I was led to believe that we were not allowed to nominate ourselves. At least thats what the post said. That is why I did not volenteer outright by nominating myself.
Of course, razor is just as good of a person as the rest of us who were nominated by others.
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Post by: UnderGod on April 1, 2003 10:34 pm CST: INC.. Part said next time. Drop it

Razore, you were nominated by 2 others I believe.

This is a vote post, not a post to argue with someone who will be giving the pk's out.. If you don't like what Particle wants, then leave.
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 1, 2003 10:57 pm CST: I am just saying that it is funny that only those who are in favor are having their nominations accepted. That means he will give the position to whoever he wants regardless of how the vote goes so its useless to even have it. just give the positions to those who are already ordained to get them and be done with it.
I know I have no more chance of getting a position than shorty or choas just because I am not a favored one. Im not complaining though. it's human nature to have scapegoats to blame the worlds ills on.
have fun with the rest of your "vote"
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Post by: Razore on April 1, 2003 11:04 pm CST: i didnt nominate myself....i nominated daywalker......
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on April 1, 2003 11:22 pm CST: I voted........................................................ You cant know till it ends!!!!!!!!! Wtf you already know. Daywalker!

nananananananan cant touch this *tsshh* ooo hot
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Post by: Pecker on April 1, 2003 11:34 pm CST: Well I probably shouldn't even get into this and really won't, but I do have one thing to say. "Jill" has sent me #tell messages a buncha times and "Jill" has said he/she was Inc. I think I said I wouldn't say anything but when you use it for silly reason then I feel I must step forward and say something. That is all I will say about this and I will not argue about it.
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 1, 2003 11:41 pm CST: I created the character jill almost a year ago when my character was hacked. Then after getting my character back, I gave it to someone who lived in my hall. She loans it to me at times, but its her character and she still plays it on a reguler basis. I might ask her for it back should she ever decide to stop playing.
A simple ip check of that character and mine will verify that it is hers.
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Post by: Neoz on April 1, 2003 11:45 pm CST: Daywalker RULES!
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 1, 2003 11:51 pm CST: Daywalker is cool and all, but he is new to the server and really has not integrated himself with the community yet.
When we get a final list of nominations, I will vote for xanth if no more of the officially nominated players are added.
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Post by: Dirk on April 2, 2003 12:24 am CST: He isn't new.
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Post by: Vorter_X_ on April 2, 2003 12:52 am CST: i too will not vote but merely for the reason i see that none of these people should have PK

i believe that there was something that said the dev team was all going to have PK...

there was once a dev team forum only.. it was on ezboard and it is shut down now... there was a post saying all ppl who had access to it could have PK when we update...

since PK is going in that qualifies as an update
meaning the people who had access to that forum should now get PK and plus anyone else particle wants to give it to
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Post by: Crash on April 2, 2003 12:55 am CST: Things can chage at any time. If Particle felt like whoever had access to that forum didn't need pk status, then he doesn't need to give it to them.

I think Xanth and Day are very level headed, and deserve Pk. Vort.... just no.
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Post by: Vorter_X_ on April 2, 2003 01:38 am CST: why no to me i help newbies a lot i.... hmm i guess i just help newbies

bash fights dont count as anything good... hmmm i stand up for and to people and a lot of other stuff which i cant think of lol... im serious for some reason people think i am getting immature and i am going through a phase in my life where there is like almost absolutely no immaturity at all.
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Post by: Jason_Xero on April 2, 2003 01:39 am CST: The 65+ age era Vorter? LOL...
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Post by: Vorter_X_ on April 2, 2003 01:41 am CST: dude thats not cool im 15....

plus i just got a heartbreak from some chick ive known for a long time and have been going out with for quite some time... thought she was the one for me but apparently she didnt think so
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Post by: Ziros Suntol on April 2, 2003 02:56 am CST: I'm sry to hear that man

Happened to me... I'm still dead...

Anywho... DAYWALKER, he is so nice, so kind, so friendly, and SOOOOOO... DAYWALKER... what more do you want?
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Post by: Xanth on April 2, 2003 10:47 am CST: I nominate DayWalker.
OH... wait... :shock:
Well, guess what I think DayWalker is 100% cool and would be cool with him being there too.
I'm just happy many of you think that I am/would be acceptable as PK (yes thats right, peace keeper not player killer)
If i do get it I hope that Particle will assign this Job to Xanth not DrgnXanth because Drgn is totally legit God and i plan to play my Xanth character more; and quite frankly my Xanth character sux at the moment and it would be a good excuse to play the character a bit more.
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Post by: Knyght on April 2, 2003 11:02 am CST: Quote from: "Vorter_X_"
some reason people think i am getting immature and i am going through a phase in my life where there is like almost absolutely no immaturity at all.

Maybe because all you're posting is who should and shouldn't be peace keepers and whining that you aren't on the poll?
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Post by: Silvanoshei on April 2, 2003 05:08 pm CST: EVIL_INC, it's not that you wouldn't be good for the job, or that you're not favoured. There's no conspiracy. Just look at the logic. Even if jill isn't you, don't you think it a little strange that her only activity on these forums was just to nominate someone? These votes may be open to pretty much everyone, but I'm sure Particle was looking for people a little more active to nominate people. People who've been around longer and can make an educated, well-rounded nomination. Not someone who just votes for their buddy down the hall.

EVIL_INC, I recognize what you do around here, but Particle made a good call on this one. Maybe you'll get nominated next time around.

Oh, and by the way...

Quote from: "EVIL_INC"
When we get a final list of nominations

What did you mean by that? This list is final.
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Post by: Vorter_X_ on April 4, 2003 12:33 am CST: shut up!

im not whining bout my name being on the poll it doesnt need to be on the poll i dont really care if it was or is going to be on the poll... im just stating a fact about the PK thingamajiggers
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Post by: NatasD-DD on April 4, 2003 12:55 am CST: I voted for Daywalker. Dont really know the rest of the people in the vote. Daywalker always helps when he can. I think he would be a great PK.
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 4, 2003 06:20 pm CST: We REALLY need to get this vote finished and the peackeepers put in place. The one who is "doing the job" at present is WAY out of control. He is using his powers to jail anyone who even hints at having a different opinion on any topic than he does. Then, he is also jailing high power monsters with them so that they are being killed while in jail. Now, this is not being done because of any rules being broken, this is him just abusing his power to further his own ambitions of having power over others and treat them as his own little pawns.
This is WAY out of control and he most definately needs to have his power removed and hischaracter to be cleared.
True, he is helping code, but to tell the truth, he is causing more harm to the server than he is fixing by codework. I say just find another coder and get rid of this person. The server never had problems until he arrived and it has gone downhill since then. just like choas, get rid of the troublmaker and youll solve most of the problems.
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Post by: Crash on April 4, 2003 07:06 pm CST: Inc, just shut up. You try and twist anything and everything to get your way. you are on the server throwing around such bullmalarkey accusations that EVERYONE was happy to see you jailed, except you. You sit and tell everyone that eViL making a party for us is against the rules, but using the fast swing GLITCH[/b][/u] is perfectly legal. If it is so legal, then why does Particle keep trying to fix it? Your supposed 'logic' is so full of holes the only thing it can't hold is the hot air that you are spewing out.
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Post by: eViL on April 4, 2003 07:18 pm CST: inc, if i could ban you from the server for a week like particle did to you in the forums, i would. just because your bullmalarkey isn't wanted here doesn't automatically make it wanted on the server.
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Post by: xkenshinx on April 4, 2003 11:49 pm CST: this little piggy went to the market (eViL) and this little piggy had none (INC)
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 5, 2003 12:33 am CST: Quote from: "Crash"
Inc, just shut up. You try and twist anything and everything to get your way. you are on the server throwing around such crap accusations that EVERYONE was happy to see you jailed, except you. You sit and tell everyone that eViL making a party for us is against the rules, but using the fast swing GLITCH[/b][/u] is perfectly legal. If it is so legal, then why does Particle keep trying to fix it? Your supposed 'logic' is so full of holes the only thing it can't hold is the hot air that you are spewing out.
First off, I said no such thing. I said that the code was set up for having a limit to the # of people in a party was set up for a reason and that creating a script that automatically put everyone on the server in a single party was not considered when the code for the mod was created.
I said that using the fast swing glitch was not against the rules as it is not "outlawed" in the server rules.
I never said either of them was "illegal".

Quote from: "eViL"
inc, if i could ban you from the server for a week like particle did to you in the forums, i would. just because your crap isn't wanted here doesn't automatically make it wanted on the server.

You are already abusing your power enough as it is. jailing people just because they disagree with you on minor irrelevant issues that have nothing to do with the game is an abuse of power. Putting high power monsters in there with your victoms so that they die is yet another abuse of your power. you have peacekeeper position. this means keeping the peace, not instigating arguments and then doing these things to people who you have personal grudges against. just because you have lackys who are at your beck and call in exchange for favors or turning a blind eye to their rulebreaking does not mean that I will dishonor myself by lieing for you. you cannot stand to see an honest man who is willing to tell the truth in the face of your lies so you abuse your power to follow your own hidden agenda and neglect the duties that you were entrusted with that power for.
Again, you are a good coder and might be helping part with code, but you are doing FAR more harm than good to the server. true, you have a small cadre of yes-men who will do as you order, but the majority of the server just wants you to get under control. They mostly just want you to stop abusing your power and instigating trouble, but I (and numerous others) know that that is impossible and want you to either PROVE yourself reformed, or gone altogether.
I might also emphasize that YOU are the instigater in this affair. I was minding my own business untill you started laying into me out of the blue. :roll:
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Post by: Crash on April 5, 2003 01:00 am CST: Inc, taking advantage of any bug is cheating. The fast swing is a bug. Using it to your advantage, IE killing bots with it, is cheating. Also, you infact did say that eViL's making a party for us was cheating. If you would like I can go open up my log file and show you exactly what you said.
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Post by: UnderGod on April 5, 2003 01:10 am CST: Quote
Putting high power monsters in there with your victoms so that they die is yet another abuse of your power

Heh... INC.. You just lied... PK's CAN'T spawn bots...
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Post by: Seasomeor on April 5, 2003 01:15 am CST: I think Xanth will make a fine peacekeeper... lol even though I did vote for funger because I've played with funger more than I have xanth... sorry xanth... I don't really know any of the others besides evil... and lol, evil likes to argue
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 5, 2003 01:51 am CST: It is entirely possible for a PK to jail a bot that is already on the map. This in effect spawns said bot in the jail. Even though it is not being spawned from nowhere, it is STILL a bot that materializes from out of thin air to repeatedly kill the hapless victom, as happened in this case.
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Post by: eViL on April 5, 2003 02:28 am CST: inc, you were double logged. i couldn't guess you name with the i's, l',s and 1's mixed in so i went by clientId's and i jailed 2051 instead of 2052, 2051 being the crypt bot and 2052 being you.
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Post by: Razore on April 5, 2003 03:35 am CST: .....this thread is for pK elections damnit, dont go off on some wild tangent
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Post by: UnderGod on April 5, 2003 09:52 am CST: no evil...

He doesn't just materialize.. He teleports. Reguardless of what you think.. the code TELEPORTS you. You just fly to that position really fast.
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 5, 2003 09:58 am CST: Quote from: "Crash"
Inc, taking advantage of any bug is cheating. The fast swing is a bug. Using it to your advantage, IE killing bots with it, is cheating. Also, you infact did say that eViL's making a party for us was cheating. If you would like I can go open up my log file and show you exactly what you said.
I said it was a "cheat script" that is FAR different than saying it was illegal. A "cheat script" is a definition used for any script that is used to further give players advantages that are not called for that is not" officialy" released to the public such as deuss is.
I said that I did not want to be part of it. Thats is all. Your "log file" wil verify that. :roll:
Quote from: "UnderGod"
no evil...

He doesn't just materialize.. He teleports. Reguardless of what you think.. the code TELEPORTS you. You just fly to that position really fast.
If the bot is zipped into the jail with the victom at 100 times the sped of light, it is so close to materializeing there that the difference is moot. a bot sudenly appears out of thin air and repeatedly kills the hapless victom. A deliberate and blatent abuse of the powers of peacekeeper that can be added to the rest of his crimes.

Quote from: "Razore"
.....this thread is for pK elections damnit, dont go off on some wild tangent

Razor, I am sory that this was nessessary. Being an honest person, I could not stand by and let his crimes go un-announced. At least this IS relevant. It shows how badly we need to get rid of the one who is currently abusing the power to make the server his own personal life dream where he can play god and cause havok with those he personally dislikes at will. It demonstrates that the time has come to put a foot down and put people in these positions we can trust. Ofhand, I feel that ALL of those on the list could be trusted to be fine PKs.
It also demonstrates that the position should be filled with honest trustworthy peoplerather than code gods. The commands can be learned or taught in a short period of time, but honesty cannot.
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Post by: UnderGod on April 5, 2003 11:27 am CST: Then why did you say spawn?

Instead of jailing another bot like what actually happened...

That is why I don't like you. You allways turn everything around, and manipulate words.. WHen somoene catches on, you use the word's other meanings...

GOd damnit I hate the english language.
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 5, 2003 11:44 am CST: sO... your saying that >>I<< spawned (or teleported really fast ) the bot into the jail?
spawning it there, sending it there REALLY fast has the same effect. a bot appears in a position where it does not belong. the end result is the same thing. all i know is that after i got jailed (for personal reasons rather than anything i did on the server) a bot suddenly appeared next to me. HOW it got there is not as important as the fact that it was PUT there.
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 5, 2003 11:45 am CST: sO... your saying that >>I<< spawned (or teleported really fast ) the bot into the jail?
spawning it there, sending it there REALLY fast has the same effect. a bot appears in a position where it does not belong. the end result is the same thing. all i know is that after i got jailed (for personal reasons rather than anything i did on the server) a bot suddenly appeared next to me. HOW it got there is not as important as the fact that it was PUT there.
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Post by: Silvanoshei on April 5, 2003 12:18 pm CST: EVIL_INC, you remind me of the Pharisees I used to hear about in church... They were the type of people who would stand on street corners and yell, "Hey! Look at me! I'm holy!" "Watch me pray! You see how holy I am?" "Hey, you know what? I fast every day! God loves me! I'm holy!"

The reason why it seems everyone is against you, INC, is mostly because of your manipulation and arrogance. It seems that in almost every post you're proclaiming how wonderful you are, how much you help people, this, that, and the other. It's annoying, man, whether it's true or not. If you can't see that, well...
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 5, 2003 12:32 pm CST: Well, it is impossible for me to abuse power that i do not have so i believe that i can safely say that i have NOT done so.
I am also saying that there are other players who are just as good as i am and some better.
I am not perfect and never claimed to be. The difference is that i am trying to do what is right. am i always successful? no, but at least i am making an effort. eViL has thrown aside all pretenses of trying to help the server and has just settled in a ruler.
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 5, 2003 12:52 pm CST: im not different than anyone else. no better, no worse.
The only difference is that im not afraid to say when something is wrong and refuse to toady up to someone who is in the wrong just because they have power.
a worse evil than the actual abuse of power is the indifference or fear that allows it to happen.
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Post by: Seasomeor on April 5, 2003 01:17 pm CST: Evil_inc... learn how to edit a post... this is nonsense that you can flood any topic on here...
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Post by: UnderGod on April 5, 2003 02:10 pm CST: I never said you did malarkey now did I?

There goes your manipulation again..
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Post by: Particle on April 5, 2003 02:15 pm CST: evil_inc, post off topic in this thread again and you're banned

NO excuses
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Post by: Silvanoshei on April 5, 2003 02:19 pm CST: Quote from: "EVIL_INC"
there are other players who are just as good as i am

That's what I'm talking about...
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Post by: Resident_Evil on April 5, 2003 02:54 pm CST: Sry had to go with daywalker
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Post by: Jason_Xero on April 5, 2003 03:08 pm CST: I am still undecided...
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 5, 2003 03:26 pm CST: the evidence speaks for itself.
ANYWAY.....in an effort to try to bring this back on topic.....
I had to go with xanth. He is on-server more than funger. otherwise, I would have gone with funger.
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Post by: Jason_Xero on April 5, 2003 04:08 pm CST: Eh I've seen Funger on more recently than Xanth, but I'd probably have to go with eViL. But if eViL is already PK regardless, than I would probably pick Funger
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Post by: BlAcK-IcE on April 5, 2003 05:19 pm CST: INC, didnt you say you and eViL were cool? :roll:
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 5, 2003 05:27 pm CST: I had thought so untill the attacks started.
Soooo....staying on topic..... friday is past. When will the replacement peacekeeper be announced and start "work" ?
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Post by: Razore on April 5, 2003 05:28 pm CST: APRIL 11th idiot friday was April 4th
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Post by: EVIL_INC on April 5, 2003 05:29 pm CST: Ahhhh my mistake. I got my days confused. sorry. :lol:
or ARE we...... :twisted:
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Post by: Razore on April 5, 2003 05:35 pm CST: *note* that wasnt meant to be a flame *note*
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Post by: Seasomeor on April 6, 2003 04:16 pm CDT: (psst... who wants to nominate me?)
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Post by: Particle on April 7, 2003 07:31 pm CDT: Too late for nominations, bud!
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Post by: Vorter_X_ on April 9, 2003 12:39 am CDT: hehe ill be getting my liscence on friday the 11th 3 more days.. no school that day either HAHHAAHHA
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Post by: Fusor on April 9, 2003 12:52 am CDT: I have to wait until at least October to get my drivers liscense
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Post by: Vorter_X_ on April 9, 2003 08:32 pm CDT: muahahahahahahah i managed to get around the stupid drivers ed class altogether and just skip to the driving license test HAHAHAH
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Post by: Particle on April 9, 2003 08:52 pm CDT: Driver Education isn't required...
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Post by: Jason_Xero on April 10, 2003 03:23 am CDT: But if you take Driver's Education, it will lower your insurance on your car. But for some odd reason your "mommy and daddy" will be paying it for you...
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Post by: Silvanoshei on April 11, 2003 04:27 pm CDT: Heh, I wish my parents would pay for my insurance. Lousy bum.

Oh, and by the way, aren't these votes over? *looks around*
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Post by: Pecker on April 11, 2003 05:24 pm CDT: Today is the last day Silv. They probably won't be closed until tonight or so.