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General => Common Topic Symposium => Topic started by: Darwin on May 14, 2003 11:00 pm CDT

Title: ti500 overclocking
Post by: Darwin on May 14, 2003 11:00 pm CDT: I am going to attempt to overclock my Geforce3 ti500 now. I am going to use Nvidia GeForce tweaker. Any ideas (if you have experience) of how far I should safely go?

*edit*

The values now (default) are:
Core Clock: 200 mhz
Memory Clock: 460 mhz
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Post by: Jason_Xero on May 14, 2003 11:02 pm CDT: Go to the [H]ardForum and post this, they feed on this every day.

Defaults are:

Core: 250MHz
Mem: 515MHz

You must not have a GF3 Ti500 then...
Does sound like GF3 Ti200 speeds though.
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Post by: Darwin on May 14, 2003 11:10 pm CDT: Trust me, it is. Its got it right on the side of the card.
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Post by: Jason_Xero on May 14, 2003 11:14 pm CDT: Wrongo buddy, you have yourself a plain old GeForce 3.

http://www.nvnews.net/previews/geforce3 ... ge_1.shtml (http://www.nvnews.net/previews/geforce3_titanium/page_1.shtml)
*edit*
Scroll down to the middle.
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Post by: Darwin on May 14, 2003 11:16 pm CDT: *edit*
Oh crap ur right!

All this time I thought I had a ti500
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Post by: Jason_Xero on May 14, 2003 11:18 pm CDT: What is your point? You said it yourself, you have 200 Core and 460 Mem. That is a stock Geforce3, not a Ti500.

I was a bit wrong about the speeds, but there were some 3rd party manufacturers that would ship it stock with 250/515.
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Post by: Darwin on May 14, 2003 11:19 pm CDT: Do you recommend I push it that far?
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Post by: Jason_Xero on May 14, 2003 11:20 pm CDT: Maybe on the core, but the ram might be difficult because the Geforce3 uses slower nano-second ram which means the max theoretical speed will be slower than that of a Ti500. But if you put some ram sinks on it and a Tt Crystal Orb, you might be able to reach Ti500 speeds.

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Scratch that nano-second ram crap, the Geforce3 uses the same ns ram. However, it is the core that you should be careful on. The Titanium series uses the .15micron manufacturing process which means smaller size, less heat generated. That is how the Ti500 is able to reach 240 safely
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Post by: Darwin on May 14, 2003 11:22 pm CDT: I am a little skeptical now. When I punched in the numbers for 250 mhz for core speed, the letters showed up in red. The max I can get without it showing up in red is 230 mhz core.

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The card is about as warm as my mouth.
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Post by: Jason_Xero on May 14, 2003 11:23 pm CDT: Sounds about right really. Also you are on a stock cooler and you probably haven't taken it off and shaved off the pink crap that comes with it. Replace that with a Crystal Orb and Arctic Silver 3, and it should reach at least 240 (Ti500 speed) or 250 easily. As far as the ram, you can try 500Mhz, but don't be suprised if you see some artifacts while gaming. Also remember to thoroughly test it out running something like 3dmark 2001SE for an hour or so before you leave this as default.
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Post by: Darwin on May 14, 2003 11:24 pm CDT: So I should change the parameters to
230 core speed

? on memory clock though
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Post by: Darwin on May 14, 2003 11:26 pm CDT: Heh, I just opened my case up for a monthly dusting off, and when I started spraying on the vid card, a glob of ice-chemicals squirted out onto the card, and I almost fainted. Its cool now.
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Post by: Jason_Xero on May 14, 2003 11:27 pm CDT: As long as it wasn't on when you sprayed it, should be ok then. Are there ramsinks on the memory?
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Post by: Darwin on May 14, 2003 11:33 pm CDT: I believe so.

It looks alot like this one, except the green ribbed things are on the right side of the fan. I think those are the ramsinks.

*edit*
LoL, I spray it down while the computer is on.
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Post by: Jason_Xero on May 14, 2003 11:34 pm CDT: Interesting to try out... the next step in extreme overclocking: spraying your can-of-air upside down on the backside of the Core to maintain that 1GHz overclock.

That would be funny, even though it would require insane power usage.
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Post by: Darwin on May 14, 2003 11:36 pm CDT: Heh heh, now that would be interesting. Im betting nVidia is already testing out methods on doing that. I would like liquid cooling, since the price has gone down a bit, but it is kinda ugly, dont you think?
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Post by: Jason_Xero on May 14, 2003 11:39 pm CDT: No actually I think it looks rad. Heh what a lame word.

I've seen some bad-ass pics of a custom made complete set of waterblocks for a 9800 Pro.

But in the sense, not the same liquid cooling.
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Post by: Darwin on May 14, 2003 11:43 pm CDT: My system configuration on this computer is quite balanced. There is no component in there that is warmer than my mouth. Even with only the origional fans Gateway provided along with the card running in aggressive mode.

As I think about this overclocking ordeal, I wonder why I even need it. The Doom III alpha runs fine, and itll run even, uh, finer once the code is fixed. And by next fall, I will have my own system.
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Post by: Darwin on May 14, 2003 11:56 pm CDT: What you talking about? All it would require would be to attach a third arm to yourself and hold it behind the device while playing Doom III.

Or, you can enclose your PC in the freezer.

I think I just had a breakthrough! A PC freezer!
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Post by: Jason_Xero on May 15, 2003 12:00 am CDT: Well, you're talking about spraying on the liquid carbon-dioxide (guessing that is what is in those aircans) on the card while in operation. Not only would you have to worry about the instant watery like effects, but condenstation, especially being right on it would fry it in a couple of seconds.
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Post by: Darwin on May 15, 2003 01:41 am CDT: C02 does not create water. I bet I could lay a dry icecube in my system and no harm would come to it, since it doesnt create anything more than a gas when melted.

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Hmm, ok I stand slightly corrected: http://van.hep.uiuc.edu/van/qa/section/ ... 192710.htm (http://van.hep.uiuc.edu/van/qa/section/States_of_Matter_and_Energy/Really_Really_Really_Cold/20030307192710.htm)

It would be quite possible to do this, but it would need to be in an open environment, without the case, or with the side panels removed, since it would condense like you said.

But, in an environment such as a freezer, I bet the computer could thrive, just as long as humidity was low and climate is relatively dry.
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Post by: Jason_Xero on May 15, 2003 02:06 am CDT: No, but it does condensate very easily because it is so cold when it comes out of the can.
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Post by: Darwin on May 15, 2003 06:46 pm CDT: I dont think we would need a case if the computer was in the freezer.

The design would be a free-standing architecture away from any of the sides of the freezer. It would stand up on metal rods that would have some support style that would not interfere with the mobo.

All external devices would be connected through cables that reach outside the box without letting any air out. Hmm.. Perhaps a series of chambers through which the cable goes through until it reaches a room-temperature and comes out of the freezer.

Or, one could try liquid nitrogen. No smoking, plz.
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Post by: DaRkEcHoEs on May 15, 2003 09:31 pm CDT: Just Wanted To Say This Convo Could Go Alot Faster On AIm,ICQ,Msn,Or Yahoo
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Post by: Silvanoshei on May 15, 2003 09:51 pm CDT: I don't know what your correction was, Darwin, since I didn't bother to look at that site. Pardon me if what I'm going to say is repetition...

CO2 has no aqueous (liquid) state as a result of temperature, but gaseous CO2 can be compressed into a liquid. Although, I cannot see any practical use of such a substance...

Oh, and DaRkEcHoEs, despite repeated requests from numerous people you simply refuse to stop speaking pig-latin, or whatever the hell you're saying. I'm just going to skip your posts now...
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Post by: Darwin on May 15, 2003 10:25 pm CDT: Jason Xero isnt on aim, and I like posting on forums better, since it can help others. Hey, its better than a chatroom too since it is lasting...

*Post #* 2819
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Post by: DaRkEcHoEs on May 15, 2003 10:40 pm CDT: i didnt know iwas speakin piglatin....."sweet"

Thats why Your avatars Leg Looks Like a teenage mutated ninja banana

good point darwin
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Post by: Vorter_X_ on May 15, 2003 10:54 pm CDT: its not pig latin
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Post by: Jason_Xero on May 16, 2003 12:43 am CDT: It's also not his avatar, mind you being stupid, you don't get cookies this round.
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Post by: DaRkEcHoEs on May 16, 2003 06:28 am CDT: If its not his avatar what it is? When i go to my profile th section where my picture is says "svatar control panel", or somethng like that.Bad short term memorie lose lines of thought often
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Post by: Vorter_X_ on May 16, 2003 11:14 am CDT: bah you guys need to get a life
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Post by: DaRkEcHoEs on May 16, 2003 06:19 pm CDT: Really? you think that would help my condition doctor?
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Post by: Vorter_X_ on May 16, 2003 09:05 pm CDT: yes as a matter of fact im putting you on Hydrocodine 500mg take 2 every 4 hours

here is a bottle of 5000
Title: Suggestions
Post by: Hiiro Yui on May 16, 2003 09:37 pm CDT: You guys seem like you know what you're talking about when it comes to video cards. I plan to build my own computer in the next month or two but I'm going to buy the video card so I can run tribes in 3D mode so I don't have to look at it in the disturbing software mode all the time. So what video card do you think I should buy, I'm really only playing tribes but I plan to get Battlefield1942 so I want one that will support that whenever I get around to getting it. Thanks for the feedback in advance.
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Post by: DaRkEcHoEs on May 16, 2003 09:38 pm CDT: Ok I got it doc. *Procedes to take 4 every 2 hours*
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Post by: Vorter_X_ on May 16, 2003 09:44 pm CDT: thats vicodin you wont be able to do anything
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Post by: Darwin on May 17, 2003 01:19 am CDT: Ok, Hiiro. First, make sure you have an AGP slot (dunno if I am speaking to a complete noobie, but ill continue anyway).

If you are gonna upgrade your video or build a new computer, make sure you have an AGP slot. It is a brown slot that normally is above the white PCI slots.

Now, if on a budget, I recommend at least a GF3 ti500 or higher. I have the origional GF3, and Doom III alpha runs terrific. Imagine how it would run on a ti500.

Here is a good deal on one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... egory=3762 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2729730230&category=3762)

Yeah, cheap, aint it.

Now, if you are going for a performance, I recommend a Geforce4 ti4200 if you want a little more kick to your gaming, or a ATI Radeon 9500 pro if you want serious performance.
*edit* Found a great price on a 9500 http://www9.dealtime.com/xPC-Sapphire_T ... gy~FD-1722 (http://www9.dealtime.com/xPC-Sapphire_Technology~FD-1722)

Now, for the kick ass performance, this one is a wallet buster, but a goodie if you can afford. If you can, get a ATI Radeon 9700 pro OR if you really have a fat wallet, go all out and buy the fastest card on the market: The ATI Radeon 9800 pro.

I hear some nice things about GeforceFX, but Jason Xero says "nope". So I'll take his word...
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Post by: Hiiro Yui on May 17, 2003 06:22 am CDT: I'm a little knowledgeable about computers. Nah the current computer I'm using doesn't have a AGP slot so I'm going to have to settle for PCI. The computer I'm building I'm going to make sure it has AGP on the motherboard. Might even go with a dual processor motherboard but that's further down the line. I'm more looking for value right now than performance although I still want to run Battlefield. But Tribes is my main game right now and I know even a 16mb card will do. But that ATI Radeon 9500 is looking like what I want so I'm most likely going to go with that. Thanks for your help. Darwin.[/color]
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Post by: Darwin on May 17, 2003 01:41 pm CDT: Ok, now if you didnt know, dual processors arent going to aid in speed on gaming. If you play Battlefield 1942 or half life, one processor will be running while the other is idle. I think dual processors are only to be used for servers.

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.a ... 13-131-436 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?description=13-131-436) (NON REFURBISHED ONE: Asus Motherboard for AMD Athlon/XP (nforce2)-- $130

Processor&Fan: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.a ... 19-103-336 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?description=19-103-336) -- AMD ATHLON XP 2400 /266 FSB PROCESSOR CPU -- $105

Make sure you have at least a 350 watt power supply or better. It probably wont be enough for me, So I am going to use two power supplies when I build my comp.

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You will be wasting money by buying a PCI card. PCI is neanderthal technology when it comes to graphics cards.

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Post by: Jason_Xero on May 17, 2003 06:45 pm CDT: 20$ more and you can get a Barton 2500+ that runs on the 333FSB which means that you can run the ram in-sync with the FSB and with the extra MHz on the FSB, you can grab some extra speed for free.

But I wouldn't go with that 2400. I would get a 2100 JIHUB(Thoroughbred B core) and o/c that to 2.3GHz with a simple vcore adjustment, oh and good cooling.

Videocard department: accept nothing less than a 9500 non-pro for money's sake

9500 Pro if you want a little more bang for the buck.

9700 non-pro if you want good speed for a little cheaper than Pro (just get 9700 Pro bios and it will be the same)

*I would not recommend nVidia products as of yet. This includes the latest FX 5900 Ultra*

On the note of the 9500 non-pro: you can overclock the core to at least 9700 Pro speeds because they all use the same R300 core. I'm not too sure about the memory, but it may be the same in nano-second speed so you can get a good o/c for it. 9500 non-pro stock runs at 275/275, in turn, you can simple overclock to 300/300, 9500 Pro speed, and get that 50$ performance for free. The computer I built for a friend is an XP 2100 on an EpoX nForce2 mobo with 512MB DDR 266 ram along with a 9500 non-pro (made the mistake of not getting the L-shaped memory architecture). Battlefield runs really good on it, much better than my other friend's 2200 512MB DDR on a Ti 4200.
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Post by: Darwin on May 17, 2003 06:49 pm CDT: Need... Links... Plz!
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Post by: Jason_Xero on May 17, 2003 06:49 pm CDT: Newegg you egghead.
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Post by: Darwin on May 17, 2003 06:51 pm CDT: Nah, I meant this, lazy.

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.a ... 379&DEPA=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=19-103-379&DEPA=1)

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So what would you recommend as a video card solution besides liquid cooling (any cheap fans that attack to em?).
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Post by: UnderGod on May 17, 2003 09:18 pm CDT: Some of the older fast (of their time) video cards used to have fans on them..

Look at the Voodoo 5 5500.

It had 2 fans. It didn't need them at all.. But the card was made for mega OCing.

If you were to put fans on your video card, I suggest getting at least one (doesn't have ot be big) fan to put over it. Remember, size doesn't exactly matter.. You just want to cool it off.

TO make it even cooler, Iw ould have a case fan sending air out right under it for max.

Then again if you go to http://www.tigerdirect.com (http://www.tigerdirect.com) THey have a fan that fits into a cd rom slot, and is guaranteed to make your case 30* cooler.. Trust me, it works. Mine is 47* cooler.
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Post by: Darwin on May 17, 2003 09:36 pm CDT: Uh, if you dont already have a fan on your card that can run OpenGL, then your card is screwed.

I want one specifically designed that attaches to the back of the card right behind the GPU to cool it. Maybe one behind the ram too...

If I need too, I might buy a copper plate that fits behind the card so that I can liquid cool it.
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Post by: UnderGod on May 17, 2003 10:25 pm CDT: No Darwin..

nVidia doess't use 'em.. at least on all the ones I have had.. yes they are all over clocked, and their temp is fine.
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Post by: Darwin on May 18, 2003 12:28 am CDT: Thats because you got nothing past a GeForce2 probably.

(http://http://www.guru3d.com/review/creative/geforce3/5.gif)
Geforce3

(http://http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/vga/gainwardgfmx460/front.jpg)
Geforce4 MX

(http://http://img.neoseeker.com/a/msiti4200/horizontal_lg.jpg)
Geforce4 ti4200

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I had a Geforce2 MX on my comp that I built, and my mom accidentally fried it somehow, and it wasnt overclocked or anything.

My case smells like... tacos now...
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Post by: UnderGod on May 18, 2003 12:43 am CDT: Holy malarkey i'm blind..

let me quit while I still have a bit of dignity.
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Post by: Darwin on May 18, 2003 12:55 am CDT: Bah its alright. Jason Xero proves me wrong all the time.
*shifts eyes left and right*
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Post by: UnderGod on May 18, 2003 01:06 am CDT: No it isn't that you proved me wrong.. I am just not sane tonight.

I have a GF4, and I forgot I had a fan on it.
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Post by: Darwin on May 18, 2003 01:38 am CDT: Ok Ok.

Now, I have been looking at several cooling solutions. Especially that one that cools your entire case. Would that truly help the temp on my video card? Is it loud and obnoxious?

*edit*

Ahh here we go. One that fits right next to a melting OCed video card.
http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/cac-01.html (http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/cac-01.html)
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Post by: Vorter_X_ on May 18, 2003 02:55 pm CDT: can you send that card to me???
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Post by: Darwin on May 18, 2003 03:11 pm CDT: which card, the one my mom somehow fried? I dont think it works anymore. The pins that go into the slot are burned.
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Post by: Vorter_X_ on May 18, 2003 06:08 pm CDT: no the one that works the better one

i hate voodoo3
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Post by: Darwin on May 18, 2003 06:30 pm CDT: Oh, my GeForce3? Yeah, its still an excellent card, even if they came out like 2 years ago. It runs Doom III nicely (dont know how many times I have said that).

This might pacify your voodoo3 woes.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... =TC3G-1003 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=TC3G-1003)
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Post by: Vorter_X_ on May 18, 2003 07:45 pm CDT: =P dont got money dont got new malarkey