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« Reply #45 on: December 4, 2003 03:35 pm CST »
Where can I buy the cliff notes to this thread?
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« Reply #46 on: December 4, 2003 04:49 pm CST »
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Your snide "come again" remark is not due in this situation.  If you found no numbers then how could you know that China has a lower crime rate?
Could you kindly point out where I said that I found no numbers? I believe I said, "I searched for half an hour for gun/murder numbers[/u] in China and didn't turn up with anything." I don't believe I can make that any more clear. Or, should I define my terms?

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what does the China murder rate have to do with the "why" in the USA murder rate?
I'm afraid you're not the only participant, Lidge. I was responding to Newbie's post. So kindly don't reprimand me for bringing up the subject of China.
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As I have said before, if this was just a conversation between friends and some one went to the length to quote a statistic I would ask them where they got the data from.
Remind me never to have a conversation with you, then.
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Let me help you understand what discussion means
I understand the word just fine, buddy. "Consideration of a subject by a group; an earnest conversation."(1) Look, I even footnoted it just like you want me to.
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Now, I have stated some possible reasons for differing murder rates between countries, so discuss them
For one who insists on long-winded posts reprimanding me for straying from the defined topic and terms, you should keep to the topic yourself. Unless I am to believe that the entire reason for the murder rate in the US is because they're the only country that admits it.
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My questions are asked in the light that I do not understand certain things and I am asking for clarification, which is being denied for reasons I do not know or understand.

What questions? "Why isn't this a debate? Why are we not in the House of Commons?"


1 - Lidge Farkley's post
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« Reply #47 on: December 4, 2003 05:32 pm CST »
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Where can I buy the cliff notes to this thread?



lol, no kidding.
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« Reply #48 on: December 4, 2003 06:18 pm CST »
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Could you kindly point out where I said that I found no numbers? I believe I said, "I searched for half an hour for gun/murder numbers in China and didn't turn up with anything." I don't believe I can make that any more clear. Or, should I define my terms?

Yes, read the bold.  Because that part of the sentence is in reference to the subject of "gun/murder numbers" and it says you turned up with out anything, then I am left to see that you did not find any gun/murder numbers.  Maybe you are using the "/" wrong.  I was taught in elementary school, high school and college that the "/" in a sentence means "and or".  When I looked on the internet for these in reference to punctuation and grammar I could not find a site that defined the "/" mark specifics, but, I found this site which uses the / mark in a sub section title to differentiate between Affect and Effect; "Affect/Effect".  So, I read your sentence to say that you searched for gun numbers and/or murder numbers for half an hour and did not find any thing.

Did you mean to say that, or did you mean to say you looked for gun murder numbers specifically?  That may be where I misinterpreted what you said to begin with.  Sorry if that was the problem... but I would still like to see the statistical data, as it may hint as to where or why the murder rate is how it is in China.


There is a break from the lull in my work and I must get back to it... so I will post more later.  Peace.
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« Reply #49 on: December 4, 2003 06:46 pm CST »
Sorry about getting on your case about China.  I meant it in general terms of application to this thread, but now as I re-read what I wrote it does look like I was being a unsavory woman to you.  Didn't mean to be.

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For one who insists on long-winded posts reprimanding me for straying from the defined topic and terms, you should keep to the topic yourself. Unless I am to believe that the entire reason for the murder rate in the US is because they're the only country that admits it.
This is confusing to me.  We are discussing the reasons for the USA's percieved high murder rate.  In this discussion you asked me to offer reasons.  I have offered more than just that one, and you have not responded to the others.  This makes me unsure as to wether the other ideas seem plausible or not in causing a higher murder rate to you.

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What questions? "Why isn't this a debate? Why are we not in the House of Commons?"

:-/  I did not ask either of those.  I asked the same thing as newbie did "Why don't you ever respond to my post Silv?" but mine was in reference to the reasons I had listed as possible reasons involved in the higher murder rate in the USA.

It seems this thread is full of nothing more than commnuication error.  Why is it that when some one posts a serious question it is treated as if the poster is being malicious or wrong in asking it?  I am trying to get to the bottom of this and find answers to the USA murder rate too.

So, why do you think the murder rate is high in the USA?
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« Reply #50 on: December 4, 2003 07:16 pm CST »
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Because that part of the sentence is in reference to the subject of "gun/murder numbers" and it says you turned up with out anything, then I am left to see that you did not find any gun/murder numbers.
You really should read my posts. I didn't find anything at all on gun and or murder numbers. I then went on to comment that the overall crime rate in China is slightly lower than in the US. I have no idea what the murder rate is in China.




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Documentation or Classification practices involving the dissapearance of some one or the witness of their death being different.
There's no way that the murder rate in the US is so high compared to other countries simply because of documentation discrepencies.
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Greed influencing people who are allready at will to beat some one to be correct also willing to murder some one for their money.
That influences murder rates in general, but is in no way specific to the US.
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A mixture of several different social classes and belief systems which varies depending on the age of the person and the education they recieved, as well as how strong the parents keep their values with their children.
Many other countries have ethnic diversity than the US (in some cases, more), and yet don't have enormous murder rates. Canada, UK, an Japan, to name a few. And parental values, are again, nonspecific to the US.
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Media portrayal of a "normal" persons life.
It's definitely not trendy to kill. People don't run out and take lives to be part of the in-crowd. (Or any crowd, at that.)
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Lack of fear of punishment and the old "killing in the heat of passion" idea, or the "I was temporarily insane at the time because Satan told me to" or other such excuse often used to cover some ass.
A common misconception about the insanity plead is that it lets the accused get off free. In nearly all cases, the accused is condemned to a mental facility to the rest of their lives with no chance of ever getting out. As for passion, that is a viable argument. Premeditated murders and walking in on your wife of twenty years having an affair are two different things, and should be charged as such.
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The thought structure of the people in a society ultimately governs the mass of what happens.
Again, not specific to the US. This contributes to murder rates everywhere.
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The laws involved in regulating people.
Laws are something that are enforced more in Canada and the US than most other countries, like Russia or China.
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The way people respond to living the way they think they want to live because "by god this is a free country."
I can't see people thinking that they have the right to kill because it's a free country. That may influence other actions, but I don't see murder as one of them.
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Finally I think this one is a little out there, but I figured I would add it any way...  The legal system and lawers can often make the Jury think that some one MEANT to kill a pedestrian with their car (even if it was an accident) by calling it "manslaughter".

Manslaughter, in layman's terms, means accidental murder. Juries know that. They aren't swayed just because the charge has the word "slaughter" in it.
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« Reply #51 on: December 4, 2003 07:56 pm CST »
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Death statistics may vary from country to country due to:
This was the pre-cursor to all of the theories I mentioned.  It does not state that any one of these reasons takes sole responsibilty for the variation in death statistics.  This headding is suggesting that ther may be a combination between the reasons following it which would have an effect on the difference in the numbers of deaths in all countries.  I used examples specific to the USA because I am from the USA.


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A mixture of several different social classes and belief systems which varies depending on the age of the person and the education they recieved, as well as how strong the parents keep their values with their children.

Silvanoshei wrote:
Many other countries have ethnic diversity than the US (in some cases, more), and yet don't have enormous murder rates. Canada, UK, an Japan, to name a few. And parental values, are again, nonspecific to the US.

Let me use your snide remark back to you and say "you really should read my posts."   I talked about social classes, education systems, and perental values imprinted on to children possibly having an effect on the general social standing of the USA society, and that this may have in turn an influence on the murder rates.  I used an example in ethnic diversity with reference to ghetto's that I have had friends live in or have visited myself.  Unfortunately the truth of the matter is that children do ethnically and socially clump in high school.  The thnic part is a sub-division of the social seperation due to an unequal level of education.  (the 'lower scoring' individuals are all stuck in less challenging and less informative classrooms, and from there the ethnic clumping happens.  This is also a kin to what evil said in "too many stupid people" as we know that educated people can get along no matter their race, yet for some reason, the clumping happens in the lower-education courses.  [i don't know why, I just witnessed it in my elementary, middle, and high school years.  In the lower education courses, white kids clumped together, and mexican kids clumped together, and the black kids were on their ownas we only had 2 or 3 per entire school grad year.  It is a strange phenomenon.]

Anyway... as I suggested with the headding to the topic, these are some of the few reasons that influence the differences between all countries.

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« Reply #52 on: December 4, 2003 08:48 pm CST »
wow what a total waste of life. Two forum addicts trying to out-do them selves.  Which one will waste the most energy on the forums:

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« Reply #53 on: December 4, 2003 09:03 pm CST »
What are you even doing here, Celtic? You think you're suddenly wanted? You want to talk about people with no lives, then what about the person that just cannot leave the place which has absolutely no want for him? Oh right, that's you.

If you've got nothing to add, Celtic, then you may as well shut up. Nobody wants to hear your pathetic attempts at being humorous. I see funnier stuff on my wall.
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« Reply #54 on: December 4, 2003 09:11 pm CST »
This thread proves you have no life.
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« Reply #55 on: December 4, 2003 09:39 pm CST »
Celtic.. At least he doesn't spend 6 hours a day playing a game thats almost 8 years old =/
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« Reply #56 on: December 4, 2003 09:57 pm CST »
Well I can see this isn't going any where seriously, so I am quitting it.

Hope you find the answers you are looking for some day Silv. :-)
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« Reply #57 on: December 4, 2003 10:00 pm CST »
good idea. did all of us a favour.
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« Reply #58 on: December 4, 2003 10:14 pm CST »
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good idea. did all of us a favour.


You're still reading this?  :P
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« Reply #59 on: December 4, 2003 10:22 pm CST »
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good idea. did all of us a favour.

You're still reading this?  :wink:
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