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« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2004 10:39 pm CDT »
Consider this...

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I have a very busy week ahead,and need my seksy beauty sleep.So I shall make it quick.

I won't go into formulas,or coefficients.

"Aluminum" as described in most of these post 9/11 bs websites is just that.Aluminum.

There are more than 200 types of Aluminum used in aerospace.Mainly the 5000 series AL.Which contains magnesium.And magnesium has the ablity to create it's own oxygen,when exposed t intesne heat.

If you have ever seen a fireworks show,and the bright white fireworks that make that nice sizzle sound...typically those are magnesium.When exposed to enough heat,it will seperate itself from the aluminum,and creat an oxide,that can be extremely volatile.

It will burn...make more oxygen...burn...make more oxygen...get hotter..and eventually melt pretty much anything away including the seperated alloy of aluminum.

I work as a design and metallurgical engineer,and we work on planes,missles,and basically anything else that has to do with aeronautics.And I know for a fact that the Boeing 757,767 are made mostly of this alloy (5000 series).Where as almost every other American made passenger plane,is made out of 7000 series which has very little magnesium,or not enough to seperate itself from aluminum.

http://http://www.prounreal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=616615#616615
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THE POD PEOPLE'S CARTOON WORLD

Only in Warner Brothers cartoons does the Coyote leave a cookie-cutter outline of himself as he crashes into the rock face. In the real world (someplace that the "pod people" need to spend more time in) collisions are more complex. Airplanes do not make clean outline holes in buildings they collide with any more than cars make clean outline holes in walls they collide with. The Pentagon, built mostly of wood and concrete, and in that one section having been recently reinforced, is a heavy and solid object. Jet aircraft, designed to be able to fly, are very thin and lightweight. They are, if you think about it, mostly filled with air, like an aluminum balloon. They are not designed to penetrate other objects or to remain intact while doing so.

Take a glass Christmas ornament and hurl it against a brick wall. Do you get a round opening in the brick wall the size of the ornament? No, of course not. Neither will an aluminum plane leave a clean outline of itself crashing into concrete. In the case of the plane, there are subassemblies which are heavy and solid, such as the engines, the frames supporting the landing gear, cockpit avionics, the potable water tanks, APU, etc. On impact, these would break loose from the aircraft and continuing forward, produce smaller holes.


http://http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html
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« Reply #31 on: September 1, 2004 10:48 pm CDT »
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Consider this...

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I have a very busy week ahead,and need my seksy beauty sleep.So I shall make it quick.

I won't go into formulas,or coefficients.

"Aluminum" as described in most of these post 9/11 bs websites is just that.Aluminum.

There are more than 200 types of Aluminum used in aerospace.Mainly the 5000 series AL.Which contains magnesium.And magnesium has the ablity to create it's own oxygen,when exposed t intesne heat.

If you have ever seen a fireworks show,and the bright white fireworks that make that nice sizzle sound...typically those are magnesium.When exposed to enough heat,it will seperate itself from the aluminum,and creat an oxide,that can be extremely volatile.

It will burn...make more oxygen...burn...make more oxygen...get hotter..and eventually melt pretty much anything away including the seperated alloy of aluminum.

I work as a design and metallurgical engineer,and we work on planes,missles,and basically anything else that has to do with aeronautics.And I know for a fact that the Boeing 757,767 are made mostly of this alloy (5000 series).Where as almost every other American made passenger plane,is made out of 7000 series which has very little magnesium,or not enough to seperate itself from aluminum.

http://http://www.prounreal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=616615#616615
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THE POD PEOPLE'S CARTOON WORLD

Only in Warner Brothers cartoons does the Coyote leave a cookie-cutter outline of himself as he crashes into the rock face. In the real world (someplace that the "pod people" need to spend more time in) collisions are more complex. Airplanes do not make clean outline holes in buildings they collide with any more than cars make clean outline holes in walls they collide with. The Pentagon, built mostly of wood and concrete, and in that one section having been recently reinforced, is a heavy and solid object. Jet aircraft, designed to be able to fly, are very thin and lightweight. They are, if you think about it, mostly filled with air, like an aluminum balloon. They are not designed to penetrate other objects or to remain intact while doing so.

Take a glass Christmas ornament and hurl it against a brick wall. Do you get a round opening in the brick wall the size of the ornament? No, of course not. Neither will an aluminum plane leave a clean outline of itself crashing into concrete. In the case of the plane, there are subassemblies which are heavy and solid, such as the engines, the frames supporting the landing gear, cockpit avionics, the potable water tanks, APU, etc. On impact, these would break loose from the aircraft and continuing forward, produce smaller holes.

http://http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html



Which side are you backing? The first part is evidence that the plane could have burned up meaning it was the plane... but the second part is going against the fact it was a plane?
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« Reply #32 on: September 2, 2004 12:03 am CDT »
Its really weird and really forked up in my opinion.  People need to stop being malarkey heads and stop playing with peoples minds.  Blowing up your own country, or blowing up another person's country, is never the answer.

TV needs to be done away with, since the media keeps ALOT of information from 99% of the public.  (heh, we must be special?)
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« Reply #33 on: September 2, 2004 11:56 am CDT »
Read more carefully please...

Schrizaks, earlier in the thread people were talking about how the hole is too small for an airliner to make, as if the jet was SOLID inside-out. Like there was supposed to be a hole the size of a jet?

Let me highlight the key points of the quote so you can piece the puzzle together:

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THE POD PEOPLE'S CARTOON WORLD

Only in Warner Brothers cartoons does the Coyote leave a cookie-cutter outline of himself as he crashes into the rock face. In the real world (someplace that the "pod people" need to spend more time in) collisions are more complex. Airplanes do not make clean outline holes in buildings they collide with any more than cars make clean outline holes in walls they collide with. The Pentagon, built mostly of wood and concrete, and in that one section having been recently reinforced, is a heavy and solid object. Jet aircraft, designed to be able to fly, are very thin and lightweight. They are, if you think about it, mostly filled with air, like an aluminum balloon. They are not designed to penetrate other objects or to remain intact while doing so.

Take a glass Christmas ornament and hurl it against a brick wall. Do you get a round opening in the brick wall the size of the ornament? No, of course not. Neither will an aluminum plane leave a clean outline of itself crashing into concrete. In the case of the plane, there are subassemblies which are heavy and solid, such as the engines, the frames supporting the landing gear, cockpit avionics, the potable water tanks, APU, etc. On impact, these would break loose from the aircraft and continuing forward, produce smaller holes.


Go to the link in my previous post and all shall be clear.
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« Reply #34 on: September 2, 2004 11:59 am CDT »
Something made of nothing.  Good Grief.
What is the point off all this garbage?  Boil it down!
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« Reply #35 on: September 2, 2004 04:59 pm CDT »
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

^^is this relevant?

(I've seen several people here post their own support from that site, so I figured I would too)
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« Reply #36 on: September 2, 2004 05:07 pm CDT »
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it's footage of the pentagon being attacked and facts. basically saying that it could have been a missle and that there weas no evidence of  plane wreckage. and that the fbi is covering up something.


I don't think speculation goes under "facts" and I don't think you can take non-Live digital (<--) images from years later and call them evidence against the initial story.

I watched the news Live as the second plane hit the second building and watched them both fall down.  I did not see the squibs that are in the new "unedited video" as many sites claim as I watched it all happen Live.

When watching the news on the PentagonLawn I remember seeing plane parts in the wreckage, Live.  Now there are many sites which have photos where the parts are gone.  Of course they did clean up the wreckage very quickly so they could set up a rescue area asap.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, or what they saw Live but I wouldn't say that calling an opinion, speculation, or theory a fact is correct.

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« Reply #37 on: September 2, 2004 06:19 pm CDT »
This topic is popping up on all my message boards, so I have made a GURP (general universal response post) for it:


General picture and info pages (may be my sources, may be conspiracy theory sites which are disproovable).  These are my sources for the images only in the following layout:
http://http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon_20020316.html
http://http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/report.htm
http://http://www.utopiax.org/aa77.html
http://http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1861977.stm

This picture clearly illustrates the side of the building at 921 feet in a conceptual layout of the building:
http://http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20010913/PentagonDamage.pdf
(in addition to the above sites, this one is seperate)


Considering the size and height of the building, I would further say that the pentagon crash photos (which show the plane hitting the building) accurately depict the "small object" at the correct height for such a plane to be hitting a 4 story + roofed building.  Of course it will look small in comparisson to the building, but it is at the far side of the camera range, and in comparrison to the perspective of the height of the building, it makes sense for it to be the size that it is in the impact photos.
These links show the photos:
http://http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1861977.stm

(http://http://www.utopiax.org/aa77.html)
This one shows an overhead perspective as well, with the approximate plane size overlayed, showing clearly the impact edges:

(http://http://www.conceptual.net.au/~jackc/pentagon.htm)


If it still looks like a "small object" after considering the perspective, your mind is playing a trick on you, an this is easy as our minds are set up to play this trick on us... which is why Perspective was not discovered until the Reniessance:
The Vanishing Point of the security photos will reveal that the plane is actually as large as depicted in real life.  Run the lines of the pentagon inward toward the horizon, strait lines, and where they intersect is your vanishing point.  Make a note of the distances of the top and bottom edges of the pentagon on the left and then mark those same distances on the right of the page, equidistant from the vanishing point as the two spots where the pentagon runs off the page (you can mark these off the page as well, just don't move the paper until after you're finished with these steps.)  Now draw perspective lines in from those lines to the vanishing point established orriginally by the pentagon lines.
Compare the size of the plane in perspective.  It's the right size.
(we are reviewing perspective in my drawing class right now)



To tackle the Plane crash photos of "fuel burn marks on the grass" that can be explained as well:
This one can be used to align perspective for the extent of fireball out towards the grass.  Use the same method as before, but only for the left side.  Use the street corner with the white post on it as your perspective line into to the vanishing point established by the pentagon lines:

(http://http://www.utopiax.org/aa77.html)
(additionally the above photo does show fuel burning upwards and outwards at the maximum known range for the fuel to have reached in fireball size.  Fire burns up, therefore the fireball would not burn the grass unless it had a level proximity [or contact] to the lawn itself.  This picture depicts the fireball a few feet above the lawn [perspective line again] thus making it possible for the lawn to have survived the initial impact fire ball with out getting any singe other than the immediate front edge depicted in the next image.)

This one shows some of the burn area in front of the pentagon.

(http://http://www.utopiax.org/aa77.html)
(only the bottom edge is visible, and it is where the fireball is known to have touched the ground, as in the largest fireball photo.)
This one shows a larger overhead view of the above, with the edge intact:

(http://http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/report.htm)
...and this with the point of perspective white street post corner mentioned earlier (though the post is just outside of the photo [I think] you can easily see the same street corner the post is on in the security photos):

(http://http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/report.htm)
(look at the edge of the street in front and compare it to the perspective line that we can establish from the street corner in the upper left view that would be parallel to the front of the pentagon in this view.)


If this analysis, which I just wrote up myself using pictures used in the same sites as the conspiracy sites, does not satisfy the misconception then post what makes no sense and I might later attempt to help more with clarification.

I have also seen a compelling debunking by the snopes.com urban legend site:
http://http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm


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Addition:
I was asked about the hole punch size into the pentagon. If you can remember, they initially thought (in news rooms) that the first plane was a private plane because the hole was so small.  Refer to the final link I gave. It describes the reinforced materials the wall had been made out of. Of course the WTC was reinforced as well, but not nearly as thick, and the entry holes of the WTC looked very small as well, centrally around the fueselage area.
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« Reply #38 on: September 2, 2004 09:25 pm CDT »
Lidge can do the work for me, he's better at it.  :wink:
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