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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2006 01:03 pm CDT »
So are you backing up my claims that hard drive replacement can be a key step in restoring overall pc performance, Corona?
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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2006 01:34 pm CDT »
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So are you backing up my claims that hard drive replacement can be a key step in restoring overall pc performance, Corona?

Yes. I recently replaced the hard drives in my two servers, as well as my gaming PC and all of them are running better.

Also, I don't have to worry about the data on them for awhile. Unless you're a real geek and have a RAID array or something, replacing your hard drive regularly is the only feasible way to prevent data loss from gradual hard drive failure. It would take me two dozen DVD-Rs and several days to backup my entire drive..
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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2006 06:40 pm CDT »
Ok, I'll assume that you honestly believe that a hard drive slows down over time to a fraction of its original speed and give you a quick run-down of how it really works.

A hard drive will work continuously short of failure.  If you have a hard drive and use it for four years, assuming that you don't have a failing drive it will behave within a very small percentage of how it did when it was new.  Hard drives don't use the same cheap bearings that are found in fans.  Fans often use cheap sleeve or ball bearings.  Hard drives use high quality, hardened ball bearings in a sealed bearing enclosure or (more recently) fluid bearings...which involves no metal contact whatsoever.  These fluid bearings last virtually forever and are extremely low friction, as it's just a thin layer of liquid instead of a metal ball.  Hard drive bearings therefore last a very long time, as can be seen by the fact that there are still hard drives from the early 90's still going just fine.

When a hard drive starts to whine, it is usually the start of a mechanical breakdown.  Typically, a drive that is whining will fail within two weeks.  Some times they continue to go much longer, but may exhibit electrical or mechanical failings.  Continuing to use a drive in this state is a sign of stupidity in the user.  It should be replaced immediately.

When a hard drive starts to click a lot, it signifies one of two things.  Very often, it's a sign that your power connection(s) between the power supply and the hard drive itself are poor/loose.  Remaking all connections, buying higher quality power splitters, or changing connectors will more often than not fix your problem if you catch it early enough.  If you wait too long, it commonly damages the electronics on the hard drive and can cause all sorts of problems from slowness due to damage of the HDD's controller, refusal to pass POST, or a complete stop of functionality of the drive.  Electrical damage of this type can take any period of time to manifest itself, but it is usually apparent that something has changed within a couple weeks.  The second thing is unrelated to the power, but an otherwise instigated failing of the onboard electronics.  The aftermath is similar to the first situation.  Unless you are running a fault tolerant RAID solution, you should continue to watch a drive that has gone through a clicking spell very closely and replace it if it continues to do so regardless of what you do.

However, a properly installed and maintained hard drive will happily perform like new for years and years to come.  Properly cool them, make sure you have a solid power supply, use only high quality power splitters, don't allow lots of vibration to effect your drive, keep them away from large magnetic forces, and try to balance the power load of your hard drives.  If you do so, they will serve you well for three, five, even six or more years on average.  They won't lose speed unless they are damaged, and that is generally the user's fault.  Even if it is the manufacturer's fault, continuing to use a drive in that state for anything requiring speed or any degree of reliability is an ignorant decision any way you slice it.

I've got 13 drives in my main system and many more in others.  I've seen a lot of them fail in years past and know what causes it.  I've run single drives and I've run large RAID arrays of every type.  I'm also a judge for a national-level hard drive troubleshooting competition every year.  What I'm trying to get at here is that I know what I'm talking about.  A properly cared for hard drive is as solid four years down the road as it was when it was new.  I also know what improper care can do to drives.  That's why I'm posting.  Believe it or not...it doesn't make it any less true.  I'm also getting sick of giving people advice and information only to be ignored.  Later down the road, people usually realize what I was saying and blame me for not telling them.  :roll:  Do what you want...I'm done trying to help.
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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2006 06:52 pm CDT »
Oh, I forgot to mention the most obvious note on replacement.

Replace a four year old drive with a modern drive and guess what...the modern drive is going to be faster just due to technology advances.  Take an average 160GB drive from years ago and replace it with a Hitachi 160GB T7K250 for instance.  The Hitachi isn't an expensive or special drive, but guess which is faster.

Yup.  Exactly.




Replace an older drive, say a 40GB and the effect of advancement is just that much more pronounced.
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« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2006 09:31 pm CDT »
Being a PC guy since....well since there were PC's, I can vouch for Particle.  He's got his facts correct.  

As long as the environmental conditions remain within acceptable limits, and the drive was not defective to begin with, a drive will perform close to "new" for years and years.  Extremes in temperature can change the functionality of a drive incredibly, but your CMOS battery will probably die out before an drive in good conditions.

Also, as a sidebar, I've found Maxtor brand to fail more than any other brand (probably due to lower factory standards, just a guess)....I want to get one of their new cheap 300-400 GB drives, but I'm afraid to put anything important on a maxtor.
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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2006 08:03 am CDT »
Hey, I wont call foul on the fact that, yes, we are replacing older drives with newer, faster drives, but my experiece with, perhaps, 4 of the last 6 computers that I repaired, were that the hard drives did not read and write as fast as they once did, even when reformatted using the same OS that came with the computer, say, Win98.

I believe that the state of the hard drive is one of the most overlooked parts when concerning computer repair and maintenance.  People will recommend the user to install lots and lots of RAM into their pc, thinking that will solve the problem, but the bottleneck lies completely at the hard drive.

My neighbors across the street have a computer from 2001, an OEM with WinME.  1ghz Athlon and 1gig of ram (which a technician recommended they install to boost the dying comptuer).  The OS was installed also by said tehnician about three weeks ago.  The slowness was not remedied, so they asked me to look at it.  Take note that it had barely been used past the recent OS install, and only had the OS software installed and nothing else.  This computer's response time was extremely slow, and the hard drive churned as it tried to keep up.  Now, the WinME machine that I used at the beginning of HS had a very similar configuration, so I know how "snappy" the new machine was in performing my tasks.

Soon my neighbors will be getting a new hard drive as well.




So, should I add my HD to my water cooling loop?
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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2006 08:57 am CDT »
Water is overkill.  They don't need a lot of air to keep cool, but they do need some.  What I said before stands.
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