My Baby! (AKA Industrial-Strength Zombie Repellant)

[kharandhil]

Admins can get away with anything, I see no point in trying to talking to arf anymore.

I don't have time to compare laurels with a kid still in school wishing he could sit at the table with the big kids.

You never went to univ from what I can tell. You got no clue what's the difference between highschool and univ?
You're nuts if you think that you're making any sence and being the adult here. Not even focus, or shorty go as low as you're going. Do you think anybody will aprove your behaviour , all those insults?
Great example, let's all be like arf, insult, insult, insult! It's okay he's admin!

This all goes beyond being stupid, it's just crazy.

[kharandhil]

Just retarded how some parents give weapons to lil kids who don't understand what a weapon rly does...

I don't think there's anything wrong with teaching a child how to use a firearm. 5 may be a little young, but I don't think 8-10 is out of the question. There's nothing wrong with a parent taking their child out hunting with them, teaching the child about how dangerous a weapon is, and instructing on the proper use of the weapon. Familiarity is the best defense against mis-use.

Yeah I said retarded, especially for those who give their 5 year olds a gun.
8-10 is not completely out of the question either, but I'm not sure if such a kid can understand what the gun rly does.
Hunting is another matter for sure. I don't see any prov with that, as long as you don't give your kid a gun and go separate ways.
That wouldn't be wise not even if you gave it to a gunnoob adult.
You can teach all you want, but kids are still kids. Not even a teenager can rly understand what safety is about, not even adults at times. (thinks about story from particle, with guy who "supposed" gun was unlaoded)
Putting the limit at 16 makes the odds higher, but still doesn't get rid of all chances of "being dumb" with a gun.
Accidents can always happen at any age, but older people can prevent them better.
Familiarity is the best defence for sure, still doesn't mean the kid has to eb able to shoot with the gun.

[Arf]

Admins can get away with anything, I see no point in trying to talking to arf anymore.

I don't have time to compare laurels with a kid still in school wishing he could sit at the table with the big kids.

You never went to univ from what I can tell. You got no clue what's the difference between highschool and univ?
You're nuts if you think that you're making any sence and being the adult here. Not even focus, or shorty go as low as you're going. Do you think anybody will aprove your behaviour , all those insults?
Great example, let's all be like arf, insult, insult, insult! It's okay he's admin!

This all goes beyond being stupid, it's just crazy.

i never said it was mature
i never said it was adult
i never claimed to be anything other than myself
so do us all a favor dickhead and stfu

[Arf]

Just retarded how some parents give weapons to lil kids who don't understand what a weapon rly does...

I don't think there's anything wrong with teaching a child how to use a firearm. 5 may be a little young, but I don't think 8-10 is out of the question. There's nothing wrong with a parent taking their child out hunting with them, teaching the child about how dangerous a weapon is, and instructing on the proper use of the weapon. Familiarity is the best defense against mis-use.

Yeah I said retarded, especially for those who give their 5 year olds a gun.
8-10 is not completely out of the question either, but I'm not sure if such a kid can understand what the gun rly does.
Hunting is another matter for sure. I don't see any prov with that, as long as you don't give your kid a gun and go separate ways.
That wouldn't be wise not even if you gave it to a gunnoob adult.
You can teach all you want, but kids are still kids. Not even a teenager can rly understand what safety is about, not even adults at times. (thinks about story from particle, with guy who "supposed" gun was unlaoded)
Putting the limit at 16 makes the odds higher, but still doesn't get rid of all chances of "being dumb" with a gun.
Accidents can always happen at any age, but older people can prevent them better.
Familiarity is the best defence for sure, still doesn't mean the kid has to eb able to shoot with the gun.

here we go again...  Kyrie had some very valid points about gun safety, I understand perfectly well the points he has making after all i have a 7 year old that had been practicing shooting a .22cal Mossberg Competition Target rifle since he was 5.  He can knock the center out if a 10 inch bullseye at 25 yards wth iron sights.  he also knows EXACTLY what safety is and he preaches it to his older brothers and his friends.  Ask my 7 yr old what a gun is for and he will tell you.  

Once again... You say that one can teach all they want and not even a teenager can really understand what safety is about?
where do you get all your statictics?  where do you come up with all this bullmalarkey? why do you always have to try and debunk every thing that everybody says?  where is your data?  where is your statistics?  where is your supporting literature?  The only thing i see on a regular basis is your uninformed, uneducated, misguided personal opinions that flood these forums as if you were the resident expert on everything.

How many kids have you raised?
How many have you taught to shoot properly and safely?
How many 1st leathers have you taken in competition?
How many wars have you fought in?
i guess you learned it all at univ?
What degress do you have?
Ph.D?
Doctorate?
Masters Degrees?
Bachelors Degrees?

do us all a favor and stfu

[RedneckNoob]

You never went to univ from what I can tell. You got no clue what's the difference between highschool and univ?

I have talked with Arf on several occasions on teamspeak about subjects that he learned in College you assuming fork.

Yeah I said retarded, especially for those who give their 5 year olds a gun.
8-10 is not completely out of the question either, but I'm not sure if such a kid can understand what the gun rly does.
Hunting is another matter for sure. I don't see any prov with that, as long as you don't give your kid a gun and go separate ways.
That wouldn't be wise not even if you gave it to a gunnoob adult.
You can teach all you want, but kids are still kids. Not even a teenager can rly understand what safety is about, not even adults at times. (thinks about story from particle, with guy who "supposed" gun was unlaoded)
Putting the limit at 16 makes the odds higher, but still doesn't get rid of all chances of "being dumb" with a gun.
Accidents can always happen at any age, but older people can prevent them better.
Familiarity is the best defence for sure, still doesn't mean the kid has to eb able to shoot with the gun.

My friend, who recently started playing TRPG (NowBob), has hunted every since he was 7.  This person is currently 17.  He has never once used a gun improperly because of education.  He's a teenager.  He's never caused an accident to happen.  Wanna know why?  Because unlike you European forks, us Americans don't leave ammo sitting around in guns for accidents to happen.  He even sleeps with a rifle and ammo in his room locked up in a case for protection.  See what I did there?  I assumed something about Europeans being moronic like you assume about Americans.  Great job dickface.

[Lidge Farkley]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Speaking of hunting... Coyote Hunting is FARKED!

[Kyrie]

More proof that 1/4 of Americans are at least mostly retarded:

http://www.kctv5.com/news/15698864/detail.html

[RedneckNoob]

More proof that 1/4 of Americans are at least mostly retarded:

http://www.kctv5.com/news/15698864/detail.html

Wrong that's a minority.  As you should know the idiots are always the ones who get media attention, not the smart ones so that it seems like more are stupid than otherwise.  It's also about how human minds better remember the negative than the positive.

[kharandhil]

How does scientific experiements work?
I'll exaplain: invent an experiement, do it several times. If results are too unstable repeat the experiment tons of times=
+- stable result.

My friend, who recently started playing TRPG (NowBob), has hunted every since he was 7. This person is currently 17. He has never once used a gun improperly because of education. He's a teenager. He's never caused an accident to happen. Wanna know why? Because unlike you European fark, us Americans don't leave ammo sitting around in guns for accidents to happen. He even sleeps with a rifle and ammo in his room locked up in a case for protection. See what I did there? I assumed something about Europeans being moronic like you assume about Americans. Great job dickface.

One example? Do you think 2 examples are enough, 3? not even millions.
I don't think I know anyone with a sane mind that can truly believe that giving a 5 year old is a good idea. Particle doesn't
think it, and any military guy I know...inculding my dad (who was in the army while arf was still in highschool.)
Ok somehow find the percentage of kids who use guns in the usa; compare it to percentage of kids who die with guns in the usa, result? Nothing not relevant. Gun accidents are all we care about.

yeah were so retarded...we got no clue how to use guns in europe...
Gun Deaths - International Comparisons

     Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):
         Homicide    Suicide    Other (inc Accident)
                   
    USA (2001)          3.98     5.92    0.36
    Italy (1997)     0.81    1.1    0.07
    Switzerland (1998)    0.50     5.8       0.10
    Canada (2002)    0.4    2.0    0.04
    Finland (2003)    0.35    4.45    0.10
    Australia (2001)    0.24    1.34    0.10
    France (2001)    0.21    3.4    0.49
    England/Wales (2002)    0.15    0.2    0.03
    Scotland (2002)    0.06    0.2    0.02
    Japan (2002)    0.02    0.04

what's an irresposible gunuser? I don't know...but people sure know how tot use a gun in usa XD

kids ehms?

There were 259 fatal firearm accidents for 15-19 year olds in 1995

That's nothing, you laugh about this, seeing all those parents losing their kids must give you a great feeling.

In 1993, there were 1,334 drownings and 528 firearm-related accidental deaths from ages 0-19. While firearms outnumber pools by a factor of over 30:1, the risk of drowning in a pool is nearly 100 times higher than from a firearm-related accident. From ages 0-5, the risk of drowning skyrockets to 500 times the risk from a gun! (16,17)

ages 0-19, yeah age 0 is included...19 too.

For every child killed with a gun, four are wounded. The rate of firearm deaths of children 0-14 years old is nearly twelve times higher in the U.S. than in 25 other industrialized nations combined.

USA parents who give their kids weapons rock!

# Over 6,000 students were expelled in 1996-97 for bringing guns to school. It is estimated that between 36% and 50% of male eleventh graders believe they could easily get a gun if they wanted one.

Yeah these days when you go to school you pick up 5 things; your bag, your homework,your books;your lunch and your gun XD
2 hours of detention when you forget the gun.

In 1996, more than 1,300 children aged 10-19 committed suicide with firearms. Two-thirds of all completed teenage suicides involve a firearm.

Enjoy!

   

Laws to prevent children from gaining access to guns have been passed by 17 states. These states hold gun owners criminally liable if children access their loaded weapons and hurt themselves or someone else. Research demonstrates that in the 12 states that had passed the CAP laws by 1997, accidental deaths of children from firearms decreased 23% in the two years after the laws went into effect.

I'm against this actually, but can understand it.

This surpirses you?
(old news)

A 5-year-old boy was killed Thursday on the Tohono O'odham Reservation when a gun he was handling accidentally went off, a Tohono O'odham police spokesman said.

A 5-year-old boy was shot and killed Friday at his grandmother's home in East Oakland, but police said they don't know whether the death was a tragic accident or the result of foul play.

omg so surprising, I must be stupid

Being honest about the risks. Advertising should not make claims suggesting that guns in the home enhance personal security. Guns are rarely used for self-protection. In fact, having a gun in the home increases the risk of homicide, suicide or unintentional injury. Advertising should also avoid messages that are likely to make the industry’s products more desirable to criminals or others prone to violent behavior. Some advertising, for instance, boasts a fingerprint-resistant finish. Advertising should not be permitted in publications with a substantial youth readership. All advertising should include warnings about the risks of having guns in the home.

Don't deny the risks, just don't ever do it.
You rly think living in a world withoug accidents is possible?

You're a fool if you think you can teach a 5 or even 8 year old what death rly is about. Even a 10 year old genius won't get it.
Let's consider that the impossible is possible. What's the chance of still having a gun accident? nowhere close to 0...

I wouldn't give one of my firearms to anyone I didn't trust.

Trust requirements:
- Be 16-18 or older...preferably older
- (or) Be a law enforcement officer  [only had this come up twice]
- Be well known to me and mature

16 ehm? I guess he just makes this up out of nowhere...he's just not thinking...this is bullcrap!!!
Why kids shouldn't have guns is common sence for normal people.

More proof that 1/4 of Americans are at least mostly retarded:

http://www.kctv5.com/news/15698864/detail.html

This is not accurate, mesuring this is close to impossible. You would have to question thousands of americans all over USA to get an accurate percentage. I have encountered about 4 bigtime retards in my 7 years of forum reading and writing. (arf is the last on the list obviously XD ) Most times what happens is : They continue on with their 100% crazy demented argumentations. They never stop, others do on the other side. I've only had one times when a few were stupid enough to follow the retard. What happened? More normal people stepped in just to laugh at the stupidity. The retard stopped posting after that. I bet I'll have more of these in the future. XD After that whole useless debate I got send an invitation to a special debating group inwhich most admins of the site posted stuff.

See what I did there? I assumed something about Europeans being moronic like you assume about Americans. Great job dickface.

last 3 words maak everything worthless.

DO you think this is the first time I talk about guns with particle???
Why did I talk to particle about guns before?
Because I like guns too, and have used several (more than you for sure).
You assumed I'm a gun noob. I kinda am actually if you compare me to particle, but particle is a gun noob compared to my dad or a few friends I have. How many guns does particle own? Not as much as you think, and certainly not as much as most real gun loving guys.

redneck stop... I still like you, however here just started proving my view on most americans. Continue or stop? Your choice.

[Lidge Farkley]

More proof that 1/4 of Americans are at least mostly retarded:

http://www.kctv5.com/news/15698864/detail.html

Canada is in North America.

[Lidge Farkley]

How does scientific experiements work?

do... experiments.  How do scientific experiments work?

redneck stop... I still like you, however here just started proving my view on most americans. Continue or stop? Your choice.

Some one has a superiority complex.

[Artorius]

There's no need to assume the general populace of the states are moronic; any country that elects Bush not once, but twice, fails. Then we can delve into the subject of crappy public schools, or the fact that crime is so much higher than other first world countries.

In response to Particle:

Training/practice call it whatever you want, regardless I currently lack it, as I've only fired a handgun once. I would still prefer atleast a better handle with my weapon of choice if I had to fight off zombie hordes.

[RedneckNoob]

Bored, most of your statistics are so out of date it's not funny.

The example is used as a basis to establish Ethos, to make the argumentation credible in this situation showing real life experience.  A common strategy in prose.

Notice your statistics using the ratio was from varied years.  Not to mention you list no source.  Is it possible you created those off the top of your head?  Entirely.  Plus you include Homicide.  It's more than probable that many of those people knew exactly how to use a gun, and you began talking about accidents.  Your organization and logic are not holding together here.

259 fatal firearm accidents.  Let's take the total population of the U.S. from the 2000 census (I know it's after the incident but I think it'll be more accurate than the 1990 census).  281.4 million people.  Let's do some math.  259 divided by 281,400,000 is 9.2039800995024875621890547263682e-7.  That means 9.2039800995024875621890547263682e-5 percent.  Now, where is the source for these statistics?  Is it possible you made them up on the spot?  Entirely.

I've noticed you haven't listed the sources for ANY of your information.  As a debater and a person who can bullmalarkey statistics on the spot, and has, while even faking sources, I can't be sure if you just did what I do.

USA parents who give their kids weapons rock!

How many of those children were listed were given weapons by their parents?  How many didn't buy them illegally or steal them?  Not to mention you still haven't listed any sources.

Again, no source on the suicides by firearm.  What would have stopped them from using a kitchen knife?  The only thing is that they thought a firearm would've been quicker, and that's probably because they were too stupid to slice their jugular.

Again no sources on anything so far.  I can make up sob stories, too.

On February 26, 1999 an 8 year old in Peublo, Colorado took an M16 from his father's gun case and brought several magazines of ammo with him to school where he proceeded to open fire indiscriminately on unsuspecting elementary school students.

See?  I can bullmalarkey easily.  Prove yours aren't.

You're a fool if you think you can teach a 5 or even 8 year old what death rly is about. Even a 10 year old genius won't get it.

Do you know have a Ph.D. in psychology?  How can you make that claim with nothing to back it up?

16 ehm? I guess he just makes this up out of nowhere...he's just not thinking...this is bullcrap!!!

No, this is from his personal beliefs.  He based this off of his perception on when people are mature enough to handle firearms, not any scientific data.

Because I like guns too, and have used several (more than you for sure).
You assumed I'm a gun noob. I kinda am actually if you compare me to particle, but particle is a gun noob compared to my dad or a few friends I have. How many guns does particle own? Not as much as you think, and certainly not as much as most real gun loving guys.

Since when did this have anything to do with your personal experience with a firearm?  Does knowing how to use a firearm make you an expert on who should be allowed to have one?  That doesn't make any sense.  Then you go on to give one example after admonishing me about giving one example.  Then you go on to say that I, one person, am proving your assumption about an entire country of 281.4 million people.  You have just proven that you are an ignorant, no wait let me correct that, an arrogant little bastard who thinks that they are "enlightened" like most people nowadays in ANY country.

[Arf]

How does scientific experiements work?

do... experiments.  How do scientific experiments work?

redneck stop... I still like you, however here just started proving my view on most americans. Continue or stop? Your choice.

Some one has a superiority complex.

Thank you Lidge Farkley, whoever you are.  

kharandhil's arguments have no bearing, no weight, no statistical analysis, no verifiable evidence, and the conclusions that he draws are uninformed, uneducated, and misguided.  His conclusions are all his own opinion and without merit.

HEY KHARANDHIL, POST YOUR SOURCES OR SHUT THE HELL UP.

[Particle]

If you two want to continue, please do so in private.