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« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2004 02:37 pm CDT »
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« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2004 04:04 pm CDT »
Rofl..

Razore, please don't become another koro and assume some things are they way they are.
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« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2004 05:03 pm CDT »
My opinion may be worthless to you, but after all the trouble, myself, my friends, and my school have had with them, I think they suck.
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« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2004 05:16 pm CDT »
I dont like them either.  My neighbor tried UT2k4 with a Mac Geforce3 in it.  It ran at about 5fps.
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« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2004 06:09 pm CDT »
my dad has a G5 sitting upstairs, it'll blow a PC away for graphics any day.  my uncle has a G4 (?, might be a G3) Titanium laptop....

and so I do have some experience with them (about 8 years worth of experience) and they do not suck.  the new G5's are awsome compared to anything else.
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« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2004 06:51 pm CDT »
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I agree with evil.... except... I am totally not good at modifying things that are all GUI looking... so I never really got in to Mac modification of anything... so I am kind of stuck on the Clone side of the force.
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« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2004 06:54 pm CDT »
The G5's will kick any pc's ass..

The thing is though as I mentioned before.. Upgrading..
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« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2004 06:58 pm CDT »
it isn't actually as hard as you think it is oz, you can throw PC3500 into a G5 and it would love it...
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« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2004 06:59 pm CDT »
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Re: I'm mad at Nvidia
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2004 06:59 pm CDT »
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Damn.  I was just about to lay out $200+ for a 9800 pro, and suddenly these bastards come out with the 6800.


The 6800U is certainly a nice piece of hardware. Weighing in at 222m transistors, 400MHz, and 16 pixel pipelines, it does indeed blow the socks off a 9800Pro/9800XT. However, ATI's R420 is just around the corner (expect availability next month)

R420 weighs in at 180m transistors, and will come in two distinct flavors--a X800Pro, clocked at 475MHz with 12 pixel pipelines, and a X800XT, clocked even higher, and offering 16 pixel pipelines. This comes as something of a shock, as the community was expecting a 12-pixel part, but not the 16. If this is the case, the higher clock speed of the X800XT may make up for its less sophisticated core (as is indicated by the transistor difference) and give the 6800U a real run for its money.

As for me, my 128MB Radeon 9800 Pro (which has given me ABSOLUTELY ZERO PROBLEMS) will have to suffice.

As far as the processor note by UnderGod...I don't even know where to begin. AMD's don't multitask any better or worse than Intels. HT doesn't aid multitasking, as all HT does is try to make better use of both ALUs present on the Netburst core. However, they share the same instruction decoder (hence why the op trace cache is so vitally important) and therefore present a small (but noticible depending on what you're doing) performance gain. While a P4 system with HT may be slightly more responsive when heavily multitasking than one without (or an AMD), it is nowhere near the pure multitasking smoothness that is SMP. In addition, 64bit chips don't make any difference in multitasking. A 64bit chip does NOT process two 32bit instructions simultaneously. It just handles 64bit instructions.

As for the Mac vs. PC argument...well, the G5 is, at best, roughly comparable to the Opteron/Athlon64 core in both performance and IPC, and this is across the board. If you believe the numbers Apple supplies, then you would be very mistaken. Apple, in keeping with longstanding tradition, doctors the tests to provide results in their favor. Independent testing has shown the G5 a formidable competitor, but it's not significantly faster.
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« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2004 07:10 pm CDT »
Yes, but the Unix based OS makes it much better.
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« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2004 07:14 pm CDT »
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Yes, but the Unix based OS makes it much better.


Debatable. It's technically based on BSD. Whether or not this makes it "better" is subject purely to what you're doing.
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« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2004 07:16 pm CDT »
Name one OS that can properly run a dual 64 bit cpu setup?

End of story.
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« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2004 07:37 pm CDT »
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Name one OS that can properly run a dual 64 bit cpu setup?

End of story.


And somehow that makes MacOS superior?

I don't have the numbers, but I would imagine that something like 85% of system sold today have 32bit processors in them. Apple has switched their desktop line to 64bit G5's, so a 64bit OS would be -required-. This is not the case in the x86 world.

In the interim, the AMD 64bit chips see a nice boost in IPC even in 32bit applications.
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« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2004 07:39 pm CDT »
Yes, but they aren't used to their full ability..

Where as Mac's are..

You can install 32bit OSs on the G5s
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