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« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2004 10:36 am CDT »
I lived about 2 minutes walk from this place: http://http://www.armaghplanet.com/ It is one of the worlds leading space research labs, Many of the worlds greatest space researchers , including PATRICK MOORE!

They lost founding a few years ago then got a big grant.
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« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2004 11:16 am CDT »
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You mean life as we know it here on Earth, right?
Contrary to comedy movies like Evolution, it is simply not feasible for any sort of dynamic matter to be based off of anything except carbon. You will never find a hydrogen-based life-form, or even a nitrogen-based life-form (a la the movie, Evolution).

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The laws of physics were created here on this planet and in this solar system. There is no way of knowing what is and isn't possible outside here yet.
The laws of physics are universal, and were not "created" on Earth; they were observed. The laws of physics are the same here as they are on the edge of the universe.

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If light can be pulled by gravity, it has mass. Look at black holes for example.. The gravity is so powerful that it can pull light into it. If you want to go back to physics.. If something can be pulled, it can also push.
Not quite. "Mass" is a variable, dynamic quantity, which changes with respect to it's velocity. The mass in Newton's equation [F = ma] is different then the mass in another of his equations, [Fg = (Gm1m2)/r^2]. The mass in the gravitational equation (the second one) refers to an object's "rest mass". But since photons can only go the speed of light at all times, it's "rest mass" basically only refers to gravity and gravitational fields (and momentum, to an extent, but that's where things get too confusing to explain in normal text without the benefit of mathematical symbols). The mass in the equation [F = ma], however, refers to it's "travelling mass", or what I like to call 'effective mass'. This is found by dividing an object's rest mass by the square root of one minus it's velocity squared divided by the speed of light squared. So, [m = m'/sqrt(1-(v^2/c^2))]. So since the definition of mass attributed to being able to "push and pull" by contact is zero for a proton, you can't have a ship being propelled by light.

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This arguement really is pointless though, because what the human mind can't comprehend it doesn't want to believe.

It's not pointless. I believe that the humans, as a race, will never discover the existence of any other intelligent life-form, and I have the knowledge and willingness to debate my point. Besides, it's about time we did something else around here than flame Celtic, so bring it on.  :)
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« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2004 11:18 am CDT »
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Sil stop pretending you know everything about everything.  I lived about 2 minutes walk from this place: http://http://www.armaghplanet.com/ It is one of the worlds leading space research labs, Many of the worlds greatest space researchers , including PATRICK MOORE!

They lost founding a few years ago then got a big grant.


Jesus, shut up. Argue intelligently or get out. Do you have to taint every thread with your stupidity?
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« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2004 03:33 pm CDT »
How about this: Go fork yourself.
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« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2004 03:38 pm CDT »
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very origional with the "Go fork yourself"  Noones ever said that on the net before.
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« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2004 04:06 pm CDT »
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It is one of the worlds leading space research labs, Many of the worlds greatest space researchers , including PATRICK MOORE!


http://custurd.b3ta.com/patrickmoore/
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« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2004 06:48 pm CDT »
Lol. I laughed.
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« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2004 09:46 pm CDT »
There is no way to prove that there is not a possibility for non-carbon-based lifeforms to exist. Cells are unique that they are "human" in their own ways. They have to eat, malarkey, breath, and multiply. If you were to go into the evolution theory however, couldn't other lifeforms "spawn" by different means?

     We have found many new substances in space in our very short time up there. What is there to say that a different, but similar kind of chain reaction couldn't occur with different substances?

As for the physics. You are correct. We only observe these laws, but would you rule out the possibility that there may be other forces that we are yet to fully observe? This may be a bit far-fetched, but what about "Chi" or "ki". There is enough to prove that those forces exist. There is also enough to argue that they don't exist.  No matter how you look at it, there has to be unknown "forces of nature" that we have yet to discover or even experience.
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« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2004 10:07 pm CDT »
I agree that homo sapiens's understanding of the laws of physics is rudimentary at best. However, there are some things that we do understand, since such ideas on light and 'cosmic speed limits', if you will.

*sigh*  I know this sounds like rambling, but I'm tired so I'll cut it off there for now. I'll pick it up tomorrow.
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« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2004 10:12 pm CDT »
I'll get back to this in a bit, but I found this today.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... co_ufos_dc
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« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2004 11:20 pm CDT »
Now this is what I call a damn good thread. :D
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« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2004 10:47 am CDT »
IT'S MINE.......ALLLLLLLL MINEEEEEEE! MUHAHAHA  :P
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« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2004 10:54 am CDT »
The general consensus among experts is that matter cannot travel faster than the speed of light. However if one was in a spaceship travelling 0.1 mph slower than the speed of light, what would happen if one were to run 0.2 mph inside of the ship, in the direction it was heading. Would you be running faster than the speed of light? The answer to this is of course, no, because you are not running in relation to the space around you, but rather to the ship itself.

The same can be said about the ship. Can it be determined that the universe is moving or stable? When the ship hits the speed of light, the question that arises is; relative to what, is it traveling?
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« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2004 11:06 am CDT »
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IT'S MINE.......ALLLLLLLL MINEEEEEEE! MUHAHAHA  :P
No, it's Particle's.

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The general consensus among experts is that matter cannot travel faster than the speed of light. However if one was in a spaceship travelling 0.1 mph slower than the speed of light, what would happen if one were to run 0.2 mph inside of the ship, in the direction it was heading. Would you be running faster than the speed of light? The answer to this is of course, no, because you are not running in relation to the space around you, but rather to the ship itself.

The same can be said about the ship. Can it be determined that the universe is moving or stable? When the ship hits the speed of light, the question that arises is; relative to what, is it traveling?

Nice plagiarism.
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« Reply #44 on: May 18, 2004 11:57 am CDT »
Ohh.. I think it is my turn now...

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