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« on: March 22, 2005 11:24 pm CST »
yeah. i need to know. cause like stuff is infecting my computer!! I run spybot and ad aware all the time. as well as registry mechanic. but i think i need a good anit virus program. symantec has stopped working on my computer. or at least it wont let me scan my computer....

i heard norton sucks... so i need ideas.
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2005 12:07 am CST »
They all suck, just in different ways.  If your norton's stopped working then use http://housecall.trendmicro.com/   for cleaning out whatever is killing norton's
trend's av program works well, as does norton and mcafee.  home versions suck, get enterprise versions that are just the basic av programs and not bundled with tons of extras.  anyone who proclaims that one program is absolutely better than another is just another brand loyalty nut.
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2005 02:32 am CST »
I mostly agree with FiresHell.

Here's what I do at work:
(note that I left out "safe mode" because a lot of people can mess their computer up to death in safemode.  If it works with out safe mode, try to clean it out of safe mode first.)

(Added) Extra first step:
If your windowsupdate page isn't working or you cannot do an in-browser scan because of messed up active-X controls, open your "Internet Options" and select the "Programs" tab then click "reset web settings" and this should fix the problem.  You also need to run windows update and in-browser virus scanners using Internet Explorer.  Yes, silly activeX controls reasons.  If reseting the web settings does not fix the activeX problem, download and run all the other mentioned scanning programs first.

Download and install/run (all of the following are completely legitimate and functional programs we use to clean up computers daily at my jorb):
AIMfix.exe
MSAS -Microsoft Anti-Spyware (formerly Giant anti-spyware)
AVG anti-virus  (make sure you disable or remove NORTON before you install/run this, or you will have a crash when both Norton and AVG anti-virus try to scan the same file)
Stinger.exe
Ad-Aware SE Personal
Spybot Search & Destroy
(If your computer cannot connect to the internet but was before, you may have something infecting your Winsock Configuration... so you will need to run the tool lspfix.exe after transferring it to your machine by use of flashkey, CD, floppy, etc. type media.)

Visit the website and run the virusscanner:
Housecall

Below are suggestions that require extreem caution and research before diving in to changes in your system.

Carefully use the MSCONFIG by going to:
Start > Run.. >
(type in):
msconfig
<press enter>
Here you can disable specific servies you know to be bad... never disable something unless you research it first (google works well for researching.)

If none of those work, visst this site:
sysinternals
and download some of their monitoring tools.
I use the following to monitor programs running as well as startup files started:
processexplorer -shows your current running aps; helpful in finding programs that are hidden and should not be running.
filemon -shows all of the files being accessed in real time; can help determine what spyware/virii may be trying to reinstall themselfes.
regmon -shows the current registy action in real time; can help determine if you have a spyware/virus/etc attempting to regenerate itself and tell you where from (if you know how to figure that out.)
tcpview -monitor network connection attempts; can help determine if you have a virus trying to spread itself.
autoruns -allows you to disable specific services from autorunning on startup; these may include malware/spyware/virii.

Finally... after all the above, if you still have problems... use this highly dangerous tool (if you misuse it, your computer will be dead):
HijackThis!
This program should be used with extreme care.  Use google to search for questionable entries and processes.  Do not delete/fix anything unless you know it is bad.  Check with google, or zip your log and post it to this thread.  I may not be checking back, but some one with know-how probably will; take all of their advise with caution.

You should be careful in using these tools, however, because some of them can cause your computer to no longer boot.  I reccomend that you post a zip of the log(s) to your next post as well for us to look at.  If you are unsure of any thing in the process explorer or hijackthis, then do a google search for the name of the process.
Example of a google process search result result: pronomgr.exe
(only trust info from sites such as wintaskspro related sites for process information, however.)

If you do not find the process on the internet, do not remove it until you get a second opinion.  Several computer manufactures have their own special tools running which may not be found with a google search.

If you are not feeling confident with doing all of this crazy stuff, use System Restore to a date before you had the crazy virii.  Any application changes will be lost but all of your other documents will still be there.  To be extra careful, I reccomend you back up anything you care about first.

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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2005 04:12 am CST »
AVG Anti Virus is nice. They have a free version which is just as effective as the professional version, gets the same virus definition updates, etc. Plus, it doesn't take over your computer and lag you

And you left out the most important step... get Firefox and a hardware firewall :D
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2005 08:24 am CST »
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AVG Anti Virus is nice. They have a free version which is just as effective as the professional version, gets the same virus definition updates, etc. Plus, it doesn't take over your computer and lag you

And you left out the most important step... get Firefox and a hardware firewall :D
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2005 09:46 am CST »
I use firefox

Its just that my computer has been lagging a bunch. It used to take about 30 seconds if that to start up. And last night it took almost a minute. And when i open folders in my computer it laggs my whole computer. LIke if im playing winamp it will lag. And i get pop ups from IE Even though i have a pop up blocker installed And even thought i dont even use IE. i tried to uninstal it but apparently you cant.

I really dont want to reformat. I have over 15 gigs of music and over 5 thousand pictures [i do photography] and i would hate to loose it. I just would like my computer to run like it always has. And for the stupid IE pop ups to go away!
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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2005 09:52 am CST »
Have you disabled Windows Messenger service?  That causes pop-ups from the OS itself, not even from IE.  I've been having some similar problems (slow folder opening and such) but I know it's because my laptop only has 256MB of RAM...  Should be doubling that sometime soon, just need some extra money.
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2005 12:26 pm CST »
yeah i downloaded avg. it found tons of trojans and crap. it seems to not be able to fix most things. which is confusing. im downloading service pack 2 for xp. im a little behind on that. and getting updates and such.  I have 512 ram so i dont know why it would be that slowing down my computer. I do pack my hardrives full of crap though. resently ive been filling them up with a bunch of pictures and such but i dont do anything too memory intensive.

i'll try getting rid of windows messenger service. that's probably it. i never ever us IE. so yeah.
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2005 01:12 pm CST »
From what I know... most trojans wont work on XP. If avg wont fix it, use google to find a manual solution.

I have a far more annoying problem, while playing just about any type of game my video goes crazy, and either completely kicks me from the game, or minimizes me. It happends about every 10 min, it's been increasing though. Grrr.

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Fixed it. ^_^
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2005 05:16 pm CST »
To disable windows messenger:
start > control panel > administrative tools > services
this will pop up with a list of system functionality, scroll down some until you see:
Messenger - Transmits net send and Alerter service messages between... blah blah blah...

Double click that, change startup type to disabled, shut down the service if it is running at the time.  I've always hated messenger service/netsend because most of the time I get ads to disable the messages they just sent me - for $10 to $40.  Look at me, I've done it for free.  Must be hax.
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2005 09:38 pm CST »
I've got this horrid virus/trojan that screwed up every game except tribes. I can't play anything. It also (or another one) messed up windows forms so they are near or completely blank. For example, I right click the desktop and open up the properties window. Well, all the tabs and buttons are there..but blank. Even some buttons on different websites are blank.
I'm just about to reinstall windows. Stupid viruses.
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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2005 09:58 pm CST »
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I've got this horrid virus/trojan that screwed up every game except tribes. I can't play anything. It also (or another one) messed up windows forms so they are near or completely blank. For example, I right click the desktop and open up the properties window. Well, all the tabs and buttons are there..but blank. Even some buttons on different websites are blank.
I'm just about to reinstall windows. Stupid viruses.
That would be a cool prank program to write, making right click options vanish completely, even just greyed out.  *Looks to his sig quote to remind him how to find means to that end.*
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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2005 10:38 pm CST »
google is awesome :)
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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2005 01:45 am CST »
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AVG Anti Virus is nice. They have a free version which is just as effective as the professional version, gets the same virus definition updates, etc. Plus, it doesn't take over your computer and lag you


i use avg also. it works awesome. i use to have zone alarm pro and  norton but they pissed me off so much and lagged the computer.
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2005 02:21 am CST »
While you're messing with windows services, consider disabling some of the other ones that turn your computer into a big goatse. Like Netmeeting Remote Desktop Sharing, and "Remote registry service." Who the hell wants their registry remotely manipulated?

Zone Alarm is retarded... or at least the free version of it is. I remember when I was trying to set up a tribes server with it, and it asked me if I wanted to allow Tribes, so I chose yes. But it only allowed the first port that was opened (telnet) and not the second port (the actual tribes server), and there was no option to change it. haha.

If you want a powerful software firewall, with no fancy skins or other crap that lags the computer (and one that isn't confused by a tribes server, to boot) get Sygate Personal Firewall.
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