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« Reply #15 on: August 9, 2007 12:16 am CDT »
i have 7 years of training... its called tribes  :)
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« Reply #16 on: August 9, 2007 12:37 am CDT »
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If I were to buy a gun for protection, I'd make sure I took some gun safety classes and went to a shooting range to practice.
Is there something wrong with firing a gun for fun? It's an enjoyable hobby, when done safely.
I have to say I agree with that, on a certain level. Don't forget, there are different variations of the sport. Paintballing, airsoft, and laser tag are all shooting games. I've been to a rifle range here and there (and did very well against clay pidgeons), and it was enjoyable. But it's not a sport/hobby I would pursue on a regular basis, such as some major gun enthusiasts do.


Paintball, airsoft, and laser tag are not even close to the same thing.  Those are sports when you TRY to hit other people with projectiles, which is inherently more dangerous.  Safe shooting involves complete avoidance at ALL costs.

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I do find it remarkable that Aphex has no problem killing people with guns but finds it morally objectionable to shoot at clay discs.  That's messed up.
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« Reply #17 on: August 9, 2007 03:31 am CDT »
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Paintball, airsoft, and laser tag are not even close to the same thing.  Those are sports when you TRY to hit other people with projectiles, which is inherently more dangerous.  Safe shooting involves complete avoidance at ALL costs.
I was comparing the fact that in either case, you shoot a projectile at a target. Whether you aim at a person intentionally or not is a matter of circumstance, such as the type of gun you are carrying at the time (airsoft or slug thrower)
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« Reply #18 on: August 9, 2007 12:20 pm CDT »
i never said i do not think people should practice safe gun use. im basically saying that when it comes down to it, i think that owning something that could kill someone should be left for either protection or hunting (hunting for a reason, not just for the sake of killing something)

i dont think that anything that could kill someone should ever be "played" with for fun. no matter how safe or how well practiced someone is, its still a gun.
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« Reply #19 on: August 9, 2007 02:51 pm CDT »
There's no reason to not do something you enjoy just because it's inherently dangerous. Any hobby can be as dangerous as a gun when not undertaken safely.
A friend of mine collects guns, but he never uses them. He doesn't get them to hunt or for protection, he just likes to collect them.
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« Reply #20 on: August 9, 2007 04:00 pm CDT »
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i never said i do not think people should practice safe gun use. im basically saying that when it comes down to it, i think that owning something that could kill someone should be left for either protection or hunting (hunting for a reason, not just for the sake of killing something)
What about cars? They're very deadly, both to drivers and observers, yet we have motorsports of all kinds.
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« Reply #21 on: August 9, 2007 05:34 pm CDT »
Cars kill many more people than guns, but since cars are a social norm there isn't any illogical stigma surrounding their use.

Just in case you care (most recent year available; 2004):
Unintentionally killed by firearms:  649
Unintentionally killed by vehicles:  43,432 (66.9x more likely)
Unintentionally killed by poisons:  20,950
Unintentionally killed by falling:  18,807
Unintentionally killed by heart disease:  652,486
Unintentionally killed by flu:  59,664

So, what does this say?  This says that the type of firearms use that you find wrong is nearly 6700% more safe than you riding in/driving a car, more than 3200% more safe than just living your daily life (and accidentally poisoning yourself), and 2900% more safe than living your life anywhere there is a potential for falling (stairs, etc).  You are also over 1000x more likely to just keel over and die from heart disease and 92x more likely to be killed by somebody else passing the flu virus to you.

Your argument is just not logically sound.  If you were to ban anything man-made that has the potential to kill, you'd have to live a very spartan life.  You'd have no objects weighing more than about 2 ounces (no tv, no fridge, no microwave, no doors, no hammers, no screwdrivers, no hair curler, no blow drier, no shampoo bottles, no bathroom scale, no wall clocks, no camcorders, no bottled water, no flashlights, no vehicles, no mailbox, no computer, no speakers, no staplers, no saws, no drills, etc...you get my point).  Almost anything of any substance can be used as a weapon to more easily kill another.  We've been doing it as a species long before recorded history.  You might say, "But who would kill somebody with a toaster?"  Nobody, usually.  That doesn't mean you cannot or it would not be a useful weapon, however.  A toaster or a microwave is just like any other object when a human is not around.  It doesn't attack anybody if it is not thrown, kicked, or used as a club.  A firearm is ABSOLUTELY no different.  It takes a person with the conscious intent to kill or incompetence to load it, cock it, aim, and pull the trigger when talking about murder.  By itself it will do nothing at all.  In your hand, it will do nothing at all.  You must work it yourself.  Is your intent good or evil?  It's like those moral crusaders who want to prohibit people from using curse words.  You can say anything you want, just replace curse words with these fun alternatives:  "Shut the front door!"  or "That's bullshoot!"  They don't care about or try to change the underlying behavioral problems that leads somebody to use that language.  They just care about the means by which the message is delivered--the words.  They're censoring the sequence of sounds instead of the information/message/emotion being conveyed by the person speaking.  Likewise, you don't seem to care by what means somebody kills another.  Let's just ignore that, shall we?  No.  Guns don't do jack malarkey.  If you want to assign blame and prohibit murder (accidental or not), blame the right thing.  People kill people, and that's the bottom line.
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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2007 12:43 am CDT »
I'm just curious, how many Intentional kills by firearms were there in 2004? I know it's not going to bring the number up to 43,000, but I'm still curious about how it compares.
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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2007 01:46 am CDT »
im not saying that i believe this should be true for everyone. im telling you my opinion on guns. i understand that most of what we do on an everyday basis is dangerous. im not trying to have an argument or make a point. you asked if i was afraid of guns and im telling you the reasons why i am not.
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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2007 10:35 pm CDT »
Oh, ok.  That's different.  I thought you were another one of those wingists who try to impose their values on the rest of society.  :)  Carry on.
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« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2007 06:02 pm CDT »
Absolutely.  That's all I expect.
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2007 03:16 am CDT »
Im a communist.
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« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2007 03:17 am CDT »
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Im a communist.

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« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2007 12:45 pm CDT »
Since I quit TRPG, I have been traveling the country having unprotected sex with as many virgins as possible (to avoid STDs, although I am willing to compromise for the sake of the cause)..  I have been recording who and where in a log, and when the child reaches the age of 8, I will travel to each place and give the child weapons training and a dose of brain washing (as well as impregnating several more women).  By the time I am 60, I'll have a small but dedicated army at my disposal.

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« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2007 05:06 pm CDT »
I must admit--I never really considered that strategy before.
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