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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2007 08:31 pm CST »
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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2007 08:53 pm CST »
Thank you Evil_Inc for your input.  When our son was first suspected of being autistic, aspergers syndrome was discussed but he didn't fit the full profile and further testing revealed that it is indeed autism that he is afflicted with... but you should see him when he is on his game...  very bright, very intelligent, very focused...   We were encouraged by the family physician to seek out alternative stimulation for his lack of abilitiy to focus and we found it in music, vidoegames and electronics...  it has been a long hard road and it has been rewarding...  to see him develop and grow up...  becoming the young man that he is... it has been exciting.  The best years are still yet to come...

Thanks for your opinion......
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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2007 09:23 am CST »
I know your son is Autistic and please don't take this the wrong way, But if I had a 9 year old Normal child, I would not let him play in the server. There is way to much vulgarity, violence and sexual conduct going on.

 I have been in the same situation as you have when my nephew was here playing the server. He would be playing and some jerk would come along and take him out for no reason, or mug him. The server rules are in place. No I was not there. So I can not tell you who was in the wrong. Being in the same situation in the past I would explain that there are certain cruel people in this world that have nothing better to do in there time as to ruin game play for others. Misery sometimes loves company. I would not come into the server though, when people were being that way, unless they were breaking the rules, but  I have in the past done the same thing for other players. I would not be in the server and a certain individual would get a hold of me on msn and tell me what was going in. I would come into the server myself and see and usually take care of the situation at hand.

 I or Particle made you an admin for a reason. We trust your judgments and therefore you should use your better judgment to make your own sound rulings. I can see where Kyrie see it as a clouded judgment. I can also see your point is to where someone is taking a super god character and being a jerk with it. But was he being a jerk? If your son was to excited to be able to work the keyboard. Then Shannara thought he was taking on an afk character. I have in the past done the same to other people afk. No I did not mug them clean, but gave them a friendly drink in the river. If the person was not afk, they would make some slight movement to tell, or show me that they were not afk. I was in the server just a couple of weeks ago as a spoof character (for a reason) and a pk jailed me when he made no slight movement that he was not afk.  Did I ask him three times if he was afk No. I figured after failing to mug him several times he would show me something that he was not afk. Did i take his pk away? Yes I did, but not for that specific reason. I had several people complaint from several different players that he was using his pk powers to his advantage. After trying to talk to him about the situation, I then felt he was not trustworthy, and talked to other admins and made the decision to take his pk away.

 Particle made the rules in the server the way they are for a reason. Sometimes people walk a fine line of those rules. Others interpret the rules differently. That is why we are needed for the server. Even though it is not fun, it is part of our job to uphold and make rules and judgment on situations that are not handled by the server rules, for the server's best interest. I tell people  from the very first day that being an admin or pk is not as glorious as people think it is. There are going to be times when you either hate it or love it. That is why we like people to be peacekeepers first, for a time certain time frame so they can get a slight taste of what being a server admin is like.  As you may or may not know, most people that we pick for Peacekeeper, either do not stick around very long, or they take it to there heads. There are a few that, stick with it and become admin.

Shannara is a peackeeper, and maybe he did not handle the situation as he should have, maybe you didn't handle the situation as you should have.  I was not there and did not see what was going on globally, so I can not make the interpretation of if he was right or wrong. If I was there, then I would have told you both to handle it non-global way. In my eyes, admin and pks arguing like this should take it out of the server. It only cause more chaos in the server then is needed. We are all different people we all have different personalities and handle things differently. We all have different backgrounds and beliefs. As admin we take care of things differently. That is why there is more then just one admin in the server. But there is one thing that we all have in common or should have in common, and that is to make the server a better game play for the individuals who come to the server to play not just for ourselves. You are guys are going to see things differently but then again you should also realize that you are adults, and coming into the forums to whine and complain and throw punches at each other is not the way I would  handle the  situation  at hand.

So in my eyes you guys are both wrong.
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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2007 12:29 pm CST »
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Ok , i will take the blame for the entire situation.

My sons will not play tribes in my house again...  there by eliminating the conflict of interest with my position in relation to other players.

If i did anything wrong, then punish me, censor me, relieve me of my admin...  whatever...  i knew it was a bad idea to even make an issue out of this situation.  But i did it anyway...  so like i said to shannara last night...  you win...  what else can i do...  

If i offended anyone, hurt anyone, or put anyone in a uncomfortable position...  i am sorry...
I guess you  jerks win on the server because it's not against the rules to be a jerk.

first part is the best you can possibly do to sovle the problem

about the second part, I think in he game it doesnt fully apply , how It is a completely natural repons to react agressively against an attack against your son. Obviously you are a good dad and what the best for your sons. You didn't hurt anyone, the only ones who were hurt were you and your kid. Odens't matter if it was a bad idea of not, any good dad would probably give his own life to save his son.
You put yourself a bit in an unconfortable position, by letting feeling take over reason. I've been through various life threatening situations and the best way to react is by first being relaxed...
Nobody will be saved when you panic.
You could have just started a regular discussion in here to see whether you were wrong or not. In the end it also was the point and what happened anyways in this topic.

I don't think that the fact that they're autistic is that important at all, any kid at that age will be kinda traumaised by this kinda encounter. (how can a kid understand what happened anyways?)
At least in this case, you got the dad to explain what happened...
Being autistic doenst mean you cant have some sort of maturity (needed to be able to play on this server full of jerks)

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what else can i do...  

be yourself? Don't ever regret what you did no matter what. you do things according to what you believe to be true. We all make mistakes, however some mistakes just cant be avoided...
Some things just cant be helped...
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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2007 03:28 pm CST »
lol, all i need to say about this, seems like usless bickering
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2007 10:27 pm CST »
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I guess it also depends upon who you are. Just a short time ago, Kit mugged my rl 0 character. All the admins needed to do was check the logs and see what I had on my character when I entered a zone.  Kit walzted in, mugged me and I announced it over global and he argued it for a bit. Everyone on the server was aware that he had illegally mugged a rl 0 character. He was allowed to do so.

Interesting thing about that is, Hubba says she watched him the entire time, and said he didn't mug anything. So either Hubba's lying or you are. Are you now claiming at the best admin the server has ever had is...lying?

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[20:26] Tokath: [GLBL] kit "i didnt mug nothin LOL"
[20:26] Tokath: [GLBL] EViL "what constitutes mugging a rl 0 character?"
[20:26] Tokath: [GLBL] HUBBA "kit did not mug anything"
[20:26] Tokath: [GLBL] EViL "kit mugged an axe"
[20:26] Tokath: [GLBL] HUBBA "i was watching him the wole time"


Also, admins can't "check the logs." Only Particle can.
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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2007 10:35 pm CST »
Actually Hubba was watching the entire time, from the moment kit started to kill you. I was also watching the entire event.
Hubba made a decision on how harshly to punish Astal. First rule breaking generally results in a warning and a reminder of the rules.
If you don't like the way the admins handle situations, become an admin and do it your way.
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2007 10:44 pm CST »
What is this alleged "in crowd?" Is this some group of super elite that Hubba leads around? Hubba hardly even plays, how could she know of anyone being in this "in crowd?"
If you've got a complaint about the way Hubba handles a situation, take it up with her or Particle. Not the forum.
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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2007 10:50 pm CST »
Twist words?
You said kit mugged you. Hubba said he did not. You said Hubba wasn't watching the whole time. Hubba said she was. One of you is lying. You get one guess to guess who.
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2007 11:09 pm CST »
That chat I posted was from when after you accused kit of mugging you. Hubba said she was watching the WHOLE time. She started watching Kit when he started killing you (evil_inc). You switched characters to evil and kit (with Hubba still watching), followed you to Den. He never mugged you while you were there.
Hubba and I were talking in tells, she was playing around with kit, possessing him, watching him, etc the entire time starting when he killed you, ending when she left. I was also watching every move kit made: he didn't mug you except one time in Jaten it looked like he did try (but you ran away).
After some of your running around with Astal, Deathcharge came in and started attacking Kit.

What I find interesting is how you have some psychic ability to just..know for certain exactly what Hubba did and did not see. I did not realize you were a psychic. Do you do palm readings?
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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2007 11:31 pm CST »
Sleep well.

I wasn't watching Astal, though I did see him lay down near you through Kit's character. I can't comment on how many or what items he took, but it's perfectly possible that he didn't realize you were RL0. I've made mistakes before in reading the tab menu (accidentally moved up or down a line when reading across), so I imagine he could have made the same mistake. As I recall, he offered to return the items once he was told you were RL0 (and before Hubba asked him to return the items).

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[20:13] Tokath: [GLBL] EViL "and I just got a message showing that astal just failed to mug me"
[20:13] Tokath: [GLBL] Astal "yep"
[20:13] Tokath: [GLBL] kit "well u shuld tak a ss"
[20:13] Tokath: [GLBL] EViL "the charge justifies researching it"
[20:14] Tokath: [ZONE] Astal "like you can kill me"
[20:14] Tokath: [SERV] Zone Diagnostics joined team Citizen.
[20:14] Tokath: [SERV] Zone Diagnostics Tele joined team Citizen.
[20:14] Tokath: [GLBL] kit "then u talk to part about invistigate ok"
[20:14] Tokath: [GLBL] EViL "standard procedure means that it should be investigate already"
[20:14] Tokath: [GLBL] EViL "waiting for answer"
[20:14] Tokath: [GLBL] kit "guess u gotat talk to part or hubba then k"
[20:15] Tokath: [GLBL] kit "hubba did i mug him were u watchin"
[20:15] Tokath: [GLBL] Deathcharge "don't need hubba i will take care of it"
[20:15] Tokath: [GLBL] kit "y u kill me try to charge tho"
[20:15] Tokath: [GLBL] HUBBA "take care of what"
[20:15] Tokath: [GLBL] EViL "astal just mugged 6 items from me"
[20:15] Tokath: [GLBL] Astal "oops"
[20:15] Tokath: [GLBL] Astal "forgot that rule"
[20:15] Tokath: [GLBL] Astal "ill give them back"
[20:15] Tokath: [GLBL] Astal "or 3 at least"
[20:15] Tokath: [GLBL] HUBBA "give it back astal "
[20:15] Tokath: [SAY] Astal "baxe"
[20:16] Tokath: [GLBL] Astal "do i need 3 or all?"
[20:16] Tokath: [GLBL] JaiLHouSe "the last 3 you took  lol you cant pick and choose"
[20:16] Tokath: [GLBL] JaiLHouSe "haha"
[20:16] Tokath: [GLBL] EViL "tthe fact remains, he and kit are mugging a rl 0 character "
[20:16] Tokath: [GLBL] HUBBA "all"
[20:16] Tokath: [GLBL] Astal "i gotta start looking at classes too lol"
[20:16] Tokath: [GLBL] EViL "what are the penalties for that? and add zone hoarding since"
[20:16] Tokath: [GLBL] EViL "they are preventing me from leveling"
[20:16] Tokath: [GLBL] Astal "we didnt touch the bot"
[20:17] Tokath: [GLBL] EViL "mugging all of my weapons is preventing me from doing damage"
[20:17] Tokath: [GLBL] EViL "thus preventing me from leveling"
[20:17] Tokath: [GLBL] EViL "thus zone hoarding"


Now here you say he took 6, but after he returned the items you start saying he took 8...so which was it?

...and how is mugging considered zone hoarding?
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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2007 10:09 am CST »
OMG the Drama continues.
 Usually I do not respond to these post. In this case I will.

First of all.
I have no access to look into the history files of the server. As far as I know the only one who has access to that is Particle.

second of all.
Kit only had 1 battle axe in his inventory. Yes Astal did over mug you and I did not see that he was shoving you around at the time because I had my eyes on Kit the whole time trying to figure out if he had mugged you. When Astal realized that you were a Remort Level 0 he offered to return your stuff. I the meantime told him to return all of your stuff.

third of all.

I don't think I give anyone special treatment. If I did, more people would have ganged up on you last night and killed you more then you could have imagined, because every time I turned around you were either arguing or fighting with another character and pissing people off. I have never had to punish Astal and to my knowledge, at the time, Astal has never done anything wrong in the server. I now see that in Jan of this year he zone hoarded. Should i have gave him Jail time? What for? It was his first offense. He admitted he was wrong did not argue the point and was generous enough to give you your stuff back before I had even to him to do so. Now. I asked him the rules of the server for a reason. The reason is because the next time he does something like this. 1 he has already received his warning and 2 cannot lie and say he did not know. I know that Astal like to mug people. He does it to the Afk characters. AFK is FREE GAME.  Did I give Astal all his luck back when Shannara and Jeenyus ganged up on him when he was afk? No. Will I? No.

Now after reading this post if you think I give people special treatement. Then so be it. I will continue to be on the server the way I am and continue with business the way I see fit. If Particle sees something wrong or another admin sees something wrong with it My MSN is always on. I will more then be happy to talk with them as I have in the past. Will i take this post to heart and start treating you different? and start letting others get by with breaking the rules against you? NO
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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2007 10:35 am CST »
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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2007 11:33 am CST »
Astal only mugged you once last night while I was on. He took 8 items which he said he was wrong. HOW CAN THAT BE MORE THEN 1 OFFENSE.   BY the way since we are going by the rules.

Shoving.
1st Offense:  Warning issued.

Punishments for Thievery:
1st Offense:  Warning will be issued and you may be required give the items back.

Punishments for Newbie Killing:
1st Offense:  Warning

Since Astal has no prior record other then Zone hoarding in Jan 2007.

CASE CLOSED!!!






I will not respond to anything in this post again.
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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2007 12:33 pm CST »
Evil.. fork off..

Particle.. close thread.. ban evil for being the most boring person to ever enter into pcprg.org

sorted!
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