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Does the server have 'too many' rules?
« on: April 17, 2008 03:47 pm CDT »
Some of these new rules seem very ridiculous.  Before I stopped playing Tribes, roughly around 2 years ago, the rules for the server weren't this lame, but still kept the server in order.  Now we have sub-rules which pertain to each zone.  Discuss.

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Re: Does the server have 'too many' rules?
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2008 10:39 pm CDT »
You can't just make a vague claim like that without clarifying if you want there to be discussion.





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Re: Does the server have 'too many' rules?
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2008 12:17 am CDT »
I'm sure people that have been playing there since I've played have noticed the increase in these type of rules.  For example, mino's lair has certain restrictions now that don't even allow you to go there if you're a certain level.  This is dumb because the only thing this rule has done is allow people to AFK more comfortably.  PCRPG should move away from AFK'ing to a more active style.  Some of these rules are almost made for AFK'ers.  I'm sorry if I'm vague about it, but you would know if you played 2 years ago.

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Re: Does the server have 'too many' rules?
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2008 12:25 am CDT »
Actually, the restriction sends you to a secondary Mino with higher leveled bots and better drops. That's if you're a god.
The idea is, that with so many more gods than we had 2 and 3 years ago, they need more places to go. Those same gods, becoming bored, would tend to pick on lower remorted characters. This is part of the effort to move gods away from non-gods and give them their own areas to level in. So we don't see so much 'harassment' of gods against non-gods.







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Re: Does the server have 'too many' rules?
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2008 12:53 am CDT »
Short answer: Yes.



But don't complain about it JayJay, that would be "harassment". ;)



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Re: Does the server have 'too many' rules?
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2008 02:00 am CDT »
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Short answer: Yes.



But don't complain about it JayJay, that would be "harassment". ;)
I wouldn't be surprised.  I'm not complaining or anything, i'm just stating the fact that the rules have gone a little overboard.  “The best government is that which governs least.”

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Re: Does the server have 'too many' rules?
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2008 11:20 am CDT »
Quote from: "EVIL_INC"
For example, if you are the only person on the server, you are not permitted to level in the lair past level 80.
Another is that you are not permitted to mug or be in the same zone as another player who is afk (even if that player harrasses you and constantly mugs you when you arent afk). You are not even allowed to simply shove a player's character from one part of a zone to another while they are afk (even if the mobs in the zone are unable to hurt the character and the shoving does not do anything to them beyond move them so that another character who is not afk can level easier.

These are news to me.







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Re: Does the server have 'too many' rules?
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2008 02:30 pm CDT »
Indeed. Sorry, Evil, but the only rule there that is actually a real rule is the one about Minotaur's Lair.
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Re: Does the server have 'too many' rules?
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2008 03:58 pm CDT »
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The sad thing is that there is even a need to have so many rules. That there are asshats and jerks who have caused the rules to be made in the first place.

You would be one of those asshats and jerks that cause the rules to be changed with your constant unsavory womanin about those supergods that molested you as a child... ahem... I mean your character when it was a non god.  And now you are unsavory womanin about the rules being in place to protect those non gods from your unrelenting attacks, in fact you are trying to inflict the exact same type of attacks (on innocent n00bs) that you unsavory womaned about in the first place.  


Quote from: "EVIL_INC"
Although there are some that seem a bit odd. For example, if you are the only person on the server, you are not permitted to level in the lair past level 80. So if you are a rl0 thier with no sp spent on casting, you HAVE to level in the temple even though minos is much safer as you wont be dying every time you get swung at and your being in lair would not interfere with anyone else leveling.


No one ever said an rl 0 couldnt be in the MInos lair past level 80.  The statement and Rule has always been in favor of low rl's being able to stay in the lair for the first few rl's due to the extreme nature of the Temple (n00bzone).  When a character is afking in the pit past level 80 causing the mage to cast and kill any noobs that come in then they are removed.  This rule was implemented because you unsavory womaned so much about being killed by castors when a non god or a god even was leveling in the pit. The only reason you would ever need Offensive casting in the n00bzone is to afk it.  I use archery and the corner door to melee very easily through the temple (n00bzone).  besides Rose and I each have a bot that we put in the pit whenever a n00b asks for it.

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Another is that you are not permitted to mug or be in the same zone as another player who is afk (even if that player harrasses you and constantly mugs you when you arent afk).

You are just whining again cause you got caught trying to mug / kill a character that you thought was somebody else.  You were trying to employ the very tactics that you unsavory womaned so much about being used against you.  You were caught Killing bots in a zone that you were way too high to even be in, You helped make these rules Evil so stop unsavory womanin about them.


Quote from: "EVIL_INC"
You are not even allowed to simply shove a player's character from one part of a zone to another while they are afk (even if the mobs in the zone are unable to hurt the character and the shoving does not do anything to them beyond move them so that another character who is not afk can level easier.

When you shove a character across the zone and in doing so ruins the leveling and or gaming pleasure for those who are not afk, then that violates Section 1 Subsection b "purposefully causing frustration to other players or administrators." Again this rule was made because of your constant unsavory womanin about the supergods doing things to you while you were afk and then claiming that you were not.

Quote from: "EVIL_INC"
Rules are good, The need for them are bad. Using them in ways they were not intended to hurt those who actually try to follow them is bad.

Once again your logic escapes me, you unsavory woman, complain, whine, moan, and groan about the rules not being enforced, then you unsavory woman, complain, whine, moan, and groan about the rules being enforced.  I think that you like the rules when you can bend them to cover your piss poor behavior, and when you get caught breaking the rules then you don't like them or you scream admin abuse, or pk predjudice...

or my favorite is you are the only one trying to follow the rules and anyone that doesnt is being disrespectful to Particle.

Evil, you should just stay at home with your Blue Clues videos and play with your Lincoln logs cause it's obvious that you cant do much of anything else.
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Re: Does the server have 'too many' rules?
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2008 06:08 pm CDT »
Do you really expect us to read a posting of that length?  I think not.

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Re: Does the server have 'too many' rules?
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2008 06:30 pm CDT »
Quote from: "EVIL_INC"
Rose, it was announced officially by an admin o0n the server and the pk on test was told to enforce the new rule that for absolutely no reason whatsoever was any character above the level of 80 to be allowed into mino.

No.  He said that leveling over 80 in minos is zone hoarding because that's when exp starts to become not worth it.  I was the one that was told and knew it was referring to those who aren't rl 0 and 1, maybe 2.

By the way, try putting spaces between your paragraphs so it doesn't seem so intimidating and it's easier for the eyes to follow.





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Re: Does the server have 'too many' rules?
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2008 06:51 pm CDT »
When the rules were clear and cut there were many complaints about people staying within the rules but still being able to stop the leveling of other players.  That's why the rules were rewritten to be less clear cut and more generalized.

It's all about knowing how each person enforcing the rules enforces them.  I try to be laid back but if I see a clear infraction I will go harder than on a vague infraction.  I admit when it comes to my character I get biased, which is why I've decided I will give it to someone else to handle when it's my character.





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Re: Does the server have 'too many' rules?
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2008 06:57 pm CDT »
OK i shall help make some sense of these nonsensical writings...

Quote from: "EVIL_INC"
Rose, it was announced officially by an admin o0n the server and the pk on test was told to enforce the new rule that for absolutely no reason whatsoever was any character above the level of 80 to be allowed into mino.

I WAS THE ADMIN THAT MADE THE STATEMENT AND I DID NOT SAY FOR NO REASON WHAT SO EVER, I SAID HI RL'S WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO STAND IN THE PIT AND LEVEL OVER THE LEVEL OF 80 YOU MORON SO GET THE WHOLE STORY STRAIGHT EVIL, TELL THE WHOLE STORY.

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Arf, Looking back through my family photo albums, I am not seeing you. How is it that you might have secret information about my early childhood?

YOUR CHILDHOOD IS OBVIOUS SINCE YOU HAVE A DISDAIN FOR ANY ESTABLISHED AUTHORITY NO MATTER THE SOURCE. YOUR ACTIONS PROVE YOUR INTENTIONS.


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When I was a low level, yes, your buddies did have thier way with my character for fun. I did complain and send reports and ss. Not that anything was done, but I did send the evidence. That is why I am meticulous about not doing the same to others. Now, if someone mugs me constantly or harrasses me, I will mug thier character or bash them on the rare opportunites I get the chance to but not to noobs and not to those who have not wronged me beforehand. Even then, I go out of my way to mend any fences before I even do that as constant fighting back and forth is only wastefull. So actually, I am NOT one of the asshats that caused the rules to be made to begin with.

SO NOW WE ARE BACK TO THEM BEING "MY BUDDIES". THIS ISN'T ABOUT ANYONE BUT YOU EVIL STOP TRYING TO MAKE IT ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE.


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I was on the server when it was announced that no one was allowed in mino past 80.

I WAS TOO YOU IDIOT. I MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT AND IT HAS BEEN A RULE IN THIS SERVER FOR MANY YEARS BECAUSE AFTER A CHARACTER REACHES LEVEL 80 IN THE LAIR THE EXPERIENCE YOU GET FOR EACH KILL AVERAGES TO BE ABOUT 4 PTS.  SO THERE IS NO REASON FOR YOU TO BE IN THERE BECAUSE YOUR PRESENCE BLOCKS OTHERS FROM GETTING ANY EXP AT ALL THEREFORE IT IS ZONEHOARDING.  READ THE RULES AND THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHY THAT RULE IS IN EFFECT.

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No, I am actually not whining. I simply put forth that I was in a zone with a player's character who had mugged me many many times and hurled verbal insults. I had sent him several messages and was waiting in a spot that in no way interfered with thier afk leveling. I was not damaging mobs or keeping them from him. the server was talkative so the chat box was scrolling swiftly. An admin asked me what I was doing there and I replied and immediately left the zone without having to be asked to because that was when the afk player said something to let me know he was not afk. Supposedly he had beforehand but if he did I missed it in the scroll. The thing is, he was not rl0, he was not a noob even though that particuler character of his was under god level but I was not permitted to mug him and was in fact jailed for zone hoarding even though I had broken no rules much less that one.

OK LETS GO OVER IT ONE MORE TIME. I CHECKED THE IP FOR THE CHARACTER NONONO.  ROSE, HUBBA, BONZAI, CORONA AND PARTICLE CAN CONFIRM IT IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME.  NONONO HAS NEVER MUGGED YOU, NONONO HAS NEVER KILLED YOU, NONONO IS NOT KARNE.  NONONO IS NOT ANY OF THE ASSHATS YOU MENTIONED.  ASK THEM.  IF YOU DARE TO AND THEN YOU WILL SEE ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.  HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT YOU ARE WRONG.

AND ONCE AGAIN MORE THAN ONE PLAYER SAW THE MESSAGE ACROSS THE SCREEN IN THE ELVEN OUTPOST THAT YOU WERE DAMAGING AND KILLING BOTS.  THE EVIDENCE IS UNDENIABLE BECAUSE THREE PEOPLE SAW IT SO GO AHEAD AND LIE SOME MORE.


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I shoved an afk player (a player who had been afk for hours) across the zone so that others could level in the zone easier. This is when I was accused of hacking the server and ruining the fun of others LOL. It actually enhanced the fun of others in the zone as the afk players was no longer interfering with thier leveling and allowed them to level faster then they were before. (although that other player is regurlerly there well over 101, 120 ect interfering with those who want to level there and actually need the exp because uber is full.

YOU ARE AN EXPERT AT BULLmalarkey AND YOU CAN JUSTIFY YOUR ACTIONS ANYWAY YOU WANT. IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU WERE CAUGHT IN THE ACT BREAKING THE RULES AND WERE PUNISHED.  SO GIVE UP THE BULLmalarkey ACT OF BEING A RULE FOLLOWING, LAW ABIDING, HONORABLE, PIOUS, BENEVOLENT CHARACTER.  YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN THE LIES AND CAUGHT BREAKING THE RULES.  THE EVIDENCE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

 
Quote from: "EVIL_INC"
The rule for purposely causing frustration was made for asshats like that as well as thier buddies who spent months on months actually harrassing others. Take for example celtic who, after pack spamming was announced to be a clearable offence, decided to pack spam the entire "afk" level area of caverns with packs. I took ss and a demo and submitted it. I was told that there was other spots on the map to stand. Using that logic, you can never pack spam until you have covered the entire map, every square inch of every zone and in the unknown with packs. Something tells me that had it been anyone else pack spamming or anyone else trying to level, they would have gotten a different answer.  Luckily, I do not do those things and have proven that I do not.


LEMME SAY IT AGAIN...  CAUSE APPARENTLY YOU DIDN'T GET IT THE FIRST TIME...YOU ARE AN EXPERT AT BULLmalarkey AND YOU CAN JUSTIFY YOUR ACTIONS ANYWAY YOU WANT. IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU WERE CAUGHT IN THE ACT BREAKING THE RULES AND WERE PUNISHED.  SO GIVE UP THE BULLmalarkey ACT OF BEING A RULE FOLLOWING, LAW ABIDING, HONORABLE, PIOUS, BENEVOLENT CHARACTER.  YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN THE LIES AND CAUGHT BREAKING THE RULES.  THE EVIDENCE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

Quote from: "EVIL_INC"
Take your piss poor behavior last night. I hold nothing against you for it. You are only human and we all have bad days. Yesterday was obviously one for you and hopefully you dont have many of them. I will continue to play the game in a respectfull manner treating others as I would like to be treated myself (unless they have alrerady screwed me over in which case I will try to return the favor in small ways,staying within the rules, until peace is made).

OK LEMME SAY IT AGAIN...  CAUSE APPARENTLY YOU DIDN'T GET IT THE FIRST TIME...YOU ARE AN EXPERT AT BULLmalarkey AND YOU CAN JUSTIFY YOUR ACTIONS ANYWAY YOU WANT. IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU WERE CAUGHT IN THE ACT BREAKING THE RULES AND WERE PUNISHED.  SO GIVE UP THE BULLmalarkey ACT OF BEING A RULE FOLLOWING, LAW ABIDING, HONORABLE, PIOUS, BENEVOLENT CHARACTER.  YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN THE LIES AND CAUGHT BREAKING THE RULES.  THE EVIDENCE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

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Blues clues, that was after my time although I am sure you have watched many hours of it with your own kids. Lincoln logs, now THOSE are da bomb. I did spend hours on those when young. Since then, I have moved on to more adult games (except for MTG and 40k).

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I hold no hard feelings towards you. I just hope that we can enforce the rules fto protect those who follow them.

WE?  WE?  WE?  I DON'T UNDERSTAND.  HOW CAN YOU EVEN CONSIDER YOURSELF A PART OF THE ENFORCEMENT WHEN YOU HAVE PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT YOU DO NOT FOLLOW THE RULES.  YOU MAKE , TAKE AND RELISH IN EVERY EXPLOITATION YOU CAN AND YOU COVER YOUR TRACKS AND YOUR BEHAVIOR BY SCREAMING ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE, THE PK'S AND OTHER ADMINS ARE SO BUSY WATCHING YOUR ACCUSED THAT THEY DON'T SEE YOU.  BUT I DO EVIL, I SEE YOU FOR WHAT AND WHO YOU ARE.  

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However, this thread is not about your bad hair day, this is about rules and if there are too many of them. It is sad that there is a need for them. We just need to enforce them evenly across the line and in the spirit in which they were created. If you dont like them well.... If you are willing to follow them as I and many others do, you should have nothing to worry about.

YES EVIL THIS THREAD IS ABOUT RULES, THE RULES YOU HELPED MAKE AND NOW THEY ARE THE RULES YOU BREAK.  I DON'T MAKE THE RULES I JUST ENFORCE THEN AND THE FORUMS ARE FULL OF MY ENFORCEMENTS.  FRIEND AND ENEMY ALIKE.  I DON'T HAVE ANY FAVORITES I HATE YOU ALL.
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Re: Does the server have 'too many' rules?
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2008 07:08 pm CDT »
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I DON'T HAVE ANY FAVORITES I HATE YOU ALL.

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Re: Does the server have 'too many' rules?
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2008 09:59 pm CDT »
There are rules on the server?   :?

I haven't played regularly in a while...huh.  Rules...whoodathunkit?