eViL

[BladeFFXI]

This country was founded on two things: meat and war.  You eat enough meat til you feel good enough to go and kill somebody.  A few years ago I sat in my chair and watched the war live on tv.  I was eating a 3 inch steak and had a 6 foot erection with a giant cheeseburger on the end of it.

--Dennis Leary

that is hilarious. anyone else love dennis learys work as much as i do?

[UnderGod]

Woah woah.. Hold on a damn minute!

First off..  Buddah is NOT the god of the islamic religion..

Allah is..

Secondly, In no religious literature does it state that non-believers are to be punished except in fact the bible.

Read the Moses story.. All believers of the god created out of gold were killed for not believing the nameles god's wishes.

On top of that there is so much BS in the bible.  Ok if you don't respect God's will and do as he wishes he sends you down to hell for all eternity to be tortured and whatnot.

BUT HE STILL LOVES YOU AND HE STILL FORGIVES..

I worship the sun because you can actually see it.. And you can't live without it. If it wasn't for the damn sun, we wouldn't be here..

I'm sorry but science is too strong for religious beliefs.

[BladeFFXI]

... where does it say the word hell in the bible? where does it say you'll be sent to hell and live in a fiery burning place for the rest of eternity? find the scriptures, and post them, and find out which bible youre using. also... the moses story you butchered horribly. not all the people who made the golden calf were killed.. moses trusted friend aaron was the person who led the making of it, and he later on escorted the israelites into the land of the canaanites. ever read the koran? how do you know what they put in there... as far as religious literature and religious beliefs go. youve seen how the catholic/christian churches have changed the bible to the way they like it. changed it so homosexuality/lesbianism is an 'alternate lifestyle' instead of being something perverted. we dont know what kind of pamphlets the kids are reading and whats being put into their minds to make them hate the jews. (pakistanis and jewish people have been at war for a long time now. it resembles the irish/english hatred which was also about religion)

and how can you say science is too strong? science hasnt done too much to save human lives. we still grow old, we still die. science isnt going to bring about a better tomorrow at least not as long as im alive. im not saying god, or whatever you want to believe, is going to make things all better tomorrow either. besides, everything science has accomplished, has been done before. where do you think we get all the ideas we have? from nature. the computer is essentially a mimic of the brain. the ability to fly comes from birds, and even then humans still need a device to fly. without all these things here for us to immitate, how far along do you think we would be? without the brains we have, there wouldnt be science. the undisputable fact is we were created, not by mistake, because the odds of that happening are astronomical. everything is so perfectly balanced for life that there is no way that everything could have fallen into place as it did. first off, the universe is growing, its expanding, so something must have started that growth. we all know something cannot come from nothing, so there had to be something to create. so say there is something there, and it starts a chain reaction, which results in all the right elements being formed, all the right layers of the earth falling into place, all the right temperatures, elevations, oxygen/nitrogen levels, weather conditions, gravitational equations properly formulated... and all of it gets set in motion by chance? some huge forking mistake? is that what you want to believe in? that we're here because of an impossibility?

i dont know about you guys, but i believe we were created, and anything that can create something so amazing and perfect, then there is no reason why this being would torment and punish us for something that happened that was beyond our control. read the bible if you cant find the answers youre looking for. or, choose to believe whatever makes you feel better.

[eViL]

let me put it this way:

if we were created by a supreme being, then why would that being let his own creation destroy itself piece by piece over time, what is he hoping to do?  we are a massive fucking science project.

[UnderGod]

... where does it say the word hell in the bible? where does it say you'll be sent to hell and live in a fiery burning place for the rest of eternity?

There is no such thing as a fiery burning place that you spend the rest of your life in.. There is however Lucifer. There is the non believers being sent to the plane where he rests after being banished from heaven.

the moses story you butchered horribly. not all the people who made the golden calf were killed.. moses trusted friend aaron was the person who led the making of it, and he later on escorted the israelites into the land of the canaanites

You are right, his friends weren't because they didn't worship the statue on their own will.. They were forced to. And the ones who didn't die changed sides right before..

The fact still stands.. The non believers were killed.

ever read the koran? how do you know what they put in there

Yes I have read the koran. it doesn't provoke violence.

and how can you say science is too strong? science hasnt done too much to save human lives. we still grow old, we still die. science isnt going to bring about a better tomorrow at least not as long as im alive.

Science has shown more proof than any religious literature has about our very existance. And yes.. If it wasn't for science, many more lives would be getting killed every day by infectious diseases that we have stopped.

However, there may just be a cure for cancer and a cure for aids.

THink about it.. If there was, would they release it to the public? Our economy is falling very rapidly. And there are too many people in this country to begin with.. It is hard ot say this, but if we didn'thave the death rate that we do, we would go bankrupt from over population.

Now.. what about dinosaurs never being existant? What about the religions that were before christianity? Like the egyptions? the persians? Greeks?

And how would we "know" that there is a "god" that truly exists? If he made an appearance before, he would surely do it again..

God told Moses to free the jews.. Did God tell the USA to free them from Hitler?

Why is the world so corrupt if there is a supreme being who is all powerful?

There never was anything in the BIble that I remember that explains a corrupt world.. That is because the world wasn't allways corrupt like now.

Look at the literature from other religions.. It ALL and I mean ALL follows the same path.. All it is, is a book of morality. THe way for everyone to just get along..

But because they are told a little bit different in each religion.. no one ever does follow those rules, do they?

I am not saying that it is wrong to believe in God, Buddah, Allah, Zeus or whoever else you want to.

I am just stating the fact, that I can't believe something unless I am shown proof that it exists.

It is like me telling you there is a living forest of trees that are imbuned with gold..

[Darwin]

The actual concept of hell was invented, actually.  What hell is is a complete absence of God.

The portrayal of hell (fire and demons and other hot chit) was created during the ages when many people were illiterate.  These images were drawn up to simply "urge" the people to play nice.

*edit*
Read acquantis's 5 proofs for a God.   (I dont know if I spelled acquantis right).

[xkenshinx]

bleh.... nobody ever reads... what i say... under god... i made almost all of the same points as u did... in a different post

even the sun thing... heh

anyways... if something can't come from nothing... then who created the creater? it doesn't make sense... if u can't belive in evolution how can u belive in creation blade? given a infinite amount of time... anything can and will happen.. including the random creation of earth

 :wink:

[Knyght]

bleh.... nobody ever reads... what i say... under god... i made almost all of the same points as u did... in a different post

even the sun thing... heh

anyways... if something can't come from nothing... then who created the creater? it doesn't make sense... if u can't belive in evolution how can u belive in creation blade? given a infinite amount of time... anything can and will happen.. including the random creation of earth

 :wink:

Does anyone else pause while reading his posts in your head?  I do and I can't help it.

[Crash]

Yes...i do....this dot dot dot shit...is annoying.....as hell.....

[Darwin]

Must be a mental problem or speech impediment... or something.

[BladeFFXI]

i always wanted to comment on that, but i figured hed try to retort by saying i dont use apostrophes or capital letters.

anyway, back to the subject of religion. the bible isnt just a way to live your life, its a book that tells us about our creator, about the reason we were created, and what the hope for our future is.

ozz, read revelations, it shows how corrupt the world is and why. also, god told moses to free the jews because at theevil, read genesis, it explains why god isnt interjecting right now. the bible explains everything if you know the places to look at. if you want to know why god hasnt done anything about all the crap that goes on in the world, look back at the original cause for sin.

eh, im tired of discussing this because all its doing is making poeple controversial and angry. sorry i brought anything up.

[Newbie]

The fact still stands.. The non believers were killed.

They weren't killed for "not believing". They where killed due to their lack of respect for the Lord.. it cleary states in the Bible that "Thou shall have no other gods before me". They smelted their own idol from gold, right after God had performed many miracles and saved them from the Egyptians.  If you ask me that's just down-right disresectful, they deserved punishment.

As for all the questions concerning why God did this, and why he hasn't done that..
Why should God have to explain his existance and motivation to humans? He's a far higher being than we are, and even if he did explain everything to us, it would be beyond our comprehension. It's like you trying to explain your existance and life goals to a cockaroach or mouse, they can't comprehend.. so what's the use?

anyways... if something can't come from nothing... then who created the creater? it doesn't make sense... if u can't belive in evolution how can u belive in creation blade?

If you don't believe in creation, then how do you believe we came to exist?  The big bang theory?  That's BS where did that first 'pin' of matter come from?

[Neoz]

let me put it this way:

if we were created by a supreme being, then why would that being let his own creation destroy itself piece by piece over time, what is he hoping to do?  we are a massive fucking science project.

Because in the Bible God said he won't interfere anymore and that we should be able to learn our own lesson because in the bible the last time he interfered he said that

[Newbie]

Whoah, who changed my icon... I like it, I like!!

[eViL]

Because in the Bible God said he won't interfere anymore and that we should be able to learn our own lesson because in the bible the last time he interfered he said that

so god is going to let his own creation kill itself or what?

p.s. - this is why i hate religion, god is suppose to be the supreme ruler and the hero of the world, but yet god prefers to kick back and watch his own creation kill itself and advance in technology to further the destruction of the universe.