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LastWish

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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2003 07:29 pm CDT »
Yea emulators are warez..  think about it from sony's POV..  people are playing their games for free on their computers that can provide even better quality..

Anyways, I edited my previous posts..  you can delete this thread if you would like.
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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2003 10:28 pm CDT »
Particle should have this picture pop up before entering the forums.

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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2003 10:48 pm CDT »
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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2003 11:35 pm CDT »
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! THAT'S what we need at the beginning of the forums!!
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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2003 11:37 pm CDT »
Emulators are not warez.  There is no statement saying that you cannot hold an emulator for more than 24 hours without deleting it.  That only pertains to ROMs.

*edit*
And nobody on this thread said anything about burning CD's.


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Gamespy's statement on ROM's and Emulators: "As far as emulators go, all emulators are legal."  -- http://www.classicgaming.com/cgng/legal.shtml


The only way an emulator is illegal is if it contains a BIOS image, most dont.  Most have their own code to handle the games similar to how another machine would handle it.  Thus "emulation".
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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2003 11:53 pm CDT »
DainBramage559: bah
DainBramage559: ozz says emulators are warez
DainBramage559: and they arent
w00Pecker: lol
w00Pecker: they are too
DainBramage559: no they arent
DainBramage559: rom's are
DainBramage559: http://www.classicgaming.com/cgng/legal.shtml
w00Pecker: so is emulators lol
w00Pecker: you use the emu's to run the roms
DainBramage559: emulators for systems such as snes, genesis, and n64 have their own bios
DainBramage559: they do not use the bios from the system
DainBramage559: they have their own bios
DainBramage559: thus, they are legal
w00Pecker: still your playing something that you didn't BUY!
DainBramage559: like CS? lol
w00Pecker: and that the company didn't put online for you to use freely
DainBramage559: uhhh
DainBramage559: *sigh*
w00Pecker: lol
DainBramage559: and emu for snes is not an snes itself
w00Pecker: technically
w00Pecker: cause you can play snes roms
DainBramage559: in fact, it doesnt operate in the same way an snes works
DainBramage559: it handles them differnetly
DainBramage559: so it isnt the same system
w00Pecker: well of course not, can't go shovin tapes in the side of your puter
DainBramage559: same with, say, a vcr
w00Pecker: and it's illegal to record copyrighted movies
DainBramage559: ya
DainBramage559: but its not illegal to make a vcr
w00Pecker: the snes is copyrighted too
DainBramage559: its not illegal to make ur own snes to run an snes game
w00Pecker: but if you share it with others it is
DainBramage559: no it isnt
DainBramage559: in fact, it isnt illegal to sell an emulator either
DainBramage559: a vcr is an emulator of another vcr
w00Pecker: *sigh*
DainBramage559: lol
w00Pecker: this is 2 hard heads arguing, we could go at this all night lol
DainBramage559: i would, but *sigh*
DainBramage559: im right and ur wrong!
DainBramage559: lol
DainBramage559: ill put this up on the forums
DainBramage559: and let ppl argue bout it
w00Pecker: lol
w00Pecker: i'm never wrong
w00Pecker: even when i am
w00Pecker: so
w00Pecker: there!
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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2003 11:59 pm CDT »
*sigh* Darwin


Emulators are images of consoles..

Consoles which if you didn't own are illegal.
You can't use an emulator without ROMS..
There is no way around it.
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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2003 12:04 am CDT »
But, what is a person made their own emulator, whether it could be played on a computer or an independant console, that could accomidate a rom cartrige THAT THEY PURCHASED.  Then, is it warez?

Emualtors are still legal.  They are somewhat of an image of a console, since they contain their own BIOS.


Bleem! was sold retail also.  I remember seeing it at office max.  Also, it was downloadable via the Bleem! website.
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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2003 12:06 am CDT »
I saw Bleem in EB. Also, there are freeware roms.
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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2003 12:06 am CDT »
Quote from: "Fusor"
I saw Bleem in EB. Also, there are freeware roms.


The box advertised screenshots from Tekken 3.
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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2003 12:21 am CDT »
You are right.. Bleem was sold.. You ahve to understand that they had contracts with Sony to do this though.

That is why you had to PAY for it. Because it isn't exactly warez anymore..
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« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2003 12:44 am CDT »
Bleem! was also distributed for free from the bleem website.  I saw it around the same time I saw it in stores.

Emulators ARE NOT WAREZ BECAUSE THEY DO NOT CONTAIN THE BIOS IMAGE OF THE SYSTEM!  If it did without the approval of the company, then it would.  Bleem does not have a bios image of the Sony Playstation.  Thus, it is not the same system, but can still handle Playstation applications.  I am trying to find a better example than the VCR, but it keeps slipping my mind.

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By having its own BIOS, the program or system becomes its own platform.  And that is not illegal.  Nor would it be illegal to buy and run a game made for another system.  Nor is it illegal to distribute this program freely.  Think of WINE as an example.

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There was no deal between Sony and Bleem!

"Are emulators legal?
Generally, yes. In 1982, precedent was set in the landmark Coleco vs. Atari case where Coleco produced an Atari 2600 emulator for the ColecoVision. Even recently, Sony was unable to prevent the distribution of the PlayStation emulator "bleem!". However, there have been emulators that used copyrighted BIOS code internally; those have generally found to have been illegal." -- http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/help/hmisc_1.html
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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2003 01:43 am CDT »
Yes it is illegal..

That is like Nintendo stealing Grand Tourismo from sony, and producing it on gamecube..
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« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2003 02:27 am CDT »
You are saying it is illegal, but on what grounds?
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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2003 07:56 am CDT »
Emulating the PS2 would be hard, its clock runs at 400MHz. Doing a software emulation of this would require a extremely fast computer.

Now lets see... SNES used a 1.5MHz clock. ZSNES(the most efficient SNES emulator) required 66MHz (486 processor) speeds.

The 486 processor is 44 times faster than the SNES.

Now lets assume we have the same case for emulating the PS2.
400*44=17600=17.6GHz . Got supercomputer? Take in the fact that the PS2 is incredibly more complex than a SNES and we'll most likely will end up with a minimal requirement for speed WELL OVER 17.6Ghz, probably 30-50GHz maybe. Oh yeah, don't even think about XBox emulation, they use 512 bit encryption for data, so one wouldn't know how the XBox works.

Emulators = LEGAL
Usage of ROMs for games you own = LEGAL
Usage of ROMs for games you don't own= ILLEGAL
DISTRIBUTION of ROMs = ILLEGAL

And don't give me that "used for educational purposes." bullcrap  :roll:
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